So yeah. The whole banning without warning thing?

[Dalton]

http://nexxushost.com/forums/index.php?topic=53049.200 here ya go

[Dalton]

And don't mind Sid. Even though he knows the staff is messed up, he couldn't possibly admit I may actually be in the right. It would damage his ego to give up his grudge.

[Pitch]

http://nexxushost.com/forums/index.php?topic=53049.200 here ya go

Haha, wow. Being creepy is against the AUP. Half of TK shoulda been ban't then. Lulz.

[Inquisitor]

http://nexxushost.com/forums/index.php?topic=53049.200 here ya go

Haha, wow. Being creepy is against the AUP. Half of TK shoulda been ban't then. Lulz.

Actually, having drawn porn depicting children is against the AUP, and ban-evading is also against the rules, among other things Dalton did and wants you to believe he was somehow wronged for in getting this ban.

And I'm usually at the forefront of telling the mods they're wrong.

[Dalton]

Silly silly, do you ever stop concerning yourself with me? I know you have a hate-on but seriously, get over it for a moment and look at the issue at hand. We have a problem and it would be more easily fixed if you could get over yourself instead of spending half of your effort making sure you beat me in whatever imaginary war you think you're waging against me.

[Jason Baane]

http://nexxushost.com/forums/index.php?topic=53049.200 here ya go

Haha, wow. Being creepy is against the AUP. Half of TK shoulda been ban't then. Lulz.

Actually, having drawn porn depicting children is against the AUP, and ban-evading is also against the rules, among other things Dalton did and wants you to believe he was somehow wronged for in getting this ban.

And I'm usually at the forefront of telling the mods they're wrong.

That point has been argued, quite successfully.

And then SSS backpedaled and stuttered, saying "dur, um, derp derp we didn't ban him because of the porn."

The fact that people are only now realizing that SSS is a giant fuck is disgusting.

[Inquisitor]

It's rather more disgusting how many people chomp at the bit to protect someone who had drawn porn depicting children.

But yeah. Okay.

I already stated my opinions on this subject and asked questions and voiced concerns.

[Jason Baane]

No, actually, 'disgusting' isn't enough.

You know what it is? Lazy. And even that doesn't adequately convey the sorry state of this whole community.

It's been completely obvious even to someone who has had absolutely no problem with any of the mods (until now, I'm sure) that SSS has been a gargantuan fuckhead.

And right up until Hitlertony was banned, every single one of you imbecilic cocksuckers have been working his E-shaft with great enthusiasm, then getting back in line for more.

Fuckin' disgraceful.

[Inquisitor]

who cares about the Underhivers

[Dalton]

For some users it's all part of the game to avoid the ol' perma.

But look. We know there's a problem and even some users who were kissing ass before are finally admitting there's a problem, so enough of the in-fighting. Are we going to agree that something needs to be done and do it, or sit here and bicker and play personal grudge games? Pink and Sid hate me, fine, got it. I don't need every person in the world to be my friend. The grudge match can continue later. I want something to actually be accomplished for once.

[Pink]

No, actually, 'disgusting' isn't enough.

You know what it is? Lazy. And even that doesn't adequately convey the sorry state of this whole community.

It's been completely obvious even to someone who has had absolutely no problem with any of the mods (until now, I'm sure) that SSS has been a gargantuan fuckhead.

And right up until Hitlertony was banned, every single one of you imbecilic cocksuckers have been working his E-shaft with great enthusiasm, then getting back in line for more.

Fuckin' disgraceful.

Noone here has buddying with him. Please don't ruin this thread by making accusations or spewing hateful language. We're trying to get something done here, so let's be peaceful and provide an example better than the ones shown to us.

[SixStringSamurai]

To clear up some things, the truth of my ban, as given by word of the mods, is such. Officially my porn-related ban was a 30 day ban. The REAL reason I am permanently banned is a supposed conspiracy to hack The Keep. It's all in the "Help I am banned" sticky thread somewhere around page 10.

To summarize, SSS had his friend Rycuda message me, claiming to feel sorry for my ban, and offered repeatedly to hack The Keep for me. Not having a clue who it was, I figured it was a legit offer, but told the person to not hack TK because it wouldn't be right. I said I was going to fight against the ban legitimately or take my loss legitimately and that was that. He told me to keep in touch and let him know how the battle goes, and I said I would.

A few days later I was talking with SSS again, who blatantly insulted me over AIM and proceeded to tell me that he's just waiting for an excuse to make the 30 day ban into a permanent one. I then messaged Rycuda again to try to talk to him, and he pretended to not to know me. I was like "Uh, weren't you the guy who said you hacked CC and offered to hack TK for me?" ignorantly not realizing that I was being played. The next day I was informed that my ban was made permanent on grounds of "trying to get somebody to hack The Keep".

I quickly went back and saved my most recent chat with Rycuda, but didn't think to save the log from the other conversation days before that. Yes, I feel stupid as hell because I played into their hand like a fool, but still. This is the exact "tk politics" bullshit that this thread is addressing.

I don't read the forums often, but I do read them, Dalton. I never insulted you on AIM, I stopped talking to you because it was always the exact same conversation over and over again.

[10:06:20] <dalton> hello
[10:09:50] <Rycuda> hello
[10:10:51] <dalton> Is this the person who hacked CC?
[10:15:11] <Rycuda> Sorry but:
a) Who are you?
b) Define hacked?
[10:17:17] <dalton> never mind, mistook you for another person I guess.
[10:20:17] <Rycuda> I have played with the software that cc uses. I run my own copy of it. So yes in one sense I have hacked on HTMLChat.
I actually don't /care/ about cc enough to want to break into the server. So no in that sense I have not hacked cc.

[10:21:28] <dalton> Somebody had recently heard of my being banned from The Keep and informed me that they have on occasion hacked into CC because they have a working knowledge of MySQL. Might this be you? Are you only pretending to not know who I am?
[10:23:44] <Rycuda> I'd not have heard of you being banned from the keep. I've a good knowledge of MySQL, I've no doubt that it can be done. I would not be the one to do it.
[10:24:47] <dalton> Strange. I wonder why you're on my buddy list then. I could swear you were this person.

Oh, hey. I have the log from when you contacted Rycuda. Funny world.

[Dalton]

I have log #2 as well, as I said in my earlier post. What happened to log #1? Doesn't back up your bullshit enough so you won't post it?

Also.

SSS (1:35:10 PM): I disagree with the nature of the images you have, in the past I've noticed you've done things that are most easily catagorized as creepy. The reason this whole thing is up for debate is because I want to ensure that I'm not allowing personal bias to...
SSS (1:35:13 PM): Of course not.
SSS (1:35:19 PM): Thirty days, Dalton.
SSS (1:35:35 PM): You'll be informed of the results when we come to a conclusion.
Dalton (1:35:41 PM): What's so "creepy" about me?
SSS (1:35:43 PM): In the mean time, I don't think we have anything else to discuss.
SSS (1:36:26 PM): I look forward to reading about this on the forums followed by a slew of 'you suck' directed at one or both of us.
Dalton (1:38:16 PM): I'm not interested in starting that again right now. I would greatly prefer if things could be kept on a mature and professional level. It does sound to me like there's personal bias going on though, and I certainly don't appreciate being informed that my potential permaban is because you think I am creepy.
SSS (1:39:05 PM): I've got a final on Monday.
SSS (1:39:10 PM): Your ban stands at 30 days.
SSS (1:39:17 PM): Good night.
Dalton (1:39:28 PM): So you'll insult me and not even back that up?
SSS (1:40:15 PM): I must be mistaken, this must not be my personal IM and my own free time.
SSS (1:40:26 PM): And it's not an insult, it's an observation.
SSS (1:40:33 PM): Take it how you like.

Sounds like an insult to me. Funny world.

But don't sit here and use me as a convenient way to sidestep things. I'm not the only user who has a gripe here. Just one of many, and you have some explaining to do young man.

[SixStringSamurai]

You're right, after you get caught lying about being set up, then use my horrible insult of 'I think you're creepy, but to make sure I'm not biased on the subject of your ban, I'll ask the rest of the staff their opinions', it would be wrong of me to try and sidestep the issue.

But I think it's fair enough that we move on with the rest of the thread. HitlerTony's warnings were over the course of several months, his conduct has been abrasive and rude and he was told that he'd be met with harsher terms because of that. Telling another user that they'd be better served fellatiating him seemed justification enough for ten days off.

Abel spammed the Lobby, and spam is an automatic ban.

Fahd's ban still has me a tad confused. I did the original ban for ten days, but according to some deal he'd worked out previously with Drew and Rook (I assume, I'm not sure who else was aware of it.) that was enough to warrant his removal. The reason Sid's 'when is Fahd unbanned' gets responded to the way it does is because I've answered it, repeatedly, in AIM conversations.

As for the core of the issue itself, there is no rule or law saying that you need to be warned. It's a courtesy to allow users a chance to stop whatever line of action they were on. Other times, and this is obviously a judgment call (Which I have no doubt you will proceed to question, as well you should) that we make as individual members of the staff.

In closing, and unofficially, I'll say this: This is a website. This is not the last bastion of your free speech or the only place in the world you can troll people. It's not even the only place in the world people can go to roleplay. It's just a website with its own set of arbitrary rules enforced by a group of people who probably should go back to their real jobs instead of clinging to some sense of nostalgia. If you get banned, whatever the reason, it's not the end of the world. There's plenty of other things to do on the internet, and you're always welcome to come back after you've had your fill of flash games, porn and meme filled image galleries.

[Dalton]

blah blah blah I never insulted you I just called you creepy and refused to back it up

Adding "It's not an insult, just an observation" after an insult doesn't make it stop being an insult. That's like the running joke in the Army, "If you say with all due respect, sir, then you can say anything you want and never get in trouble!"

 

If you get banned, whatever the reason, it's not the end of the world. There's plenty of other things to do on the internet, and you're always welcome to come back after you've had your fill of flash games, porn and meme filled image galleries.

Always welcome? Well I'm back. How about that. I think you'll find that unbanning me will not be the end of The Keep, nor will it open the floodgates to all the mad haxx0ring that I am apparently planning to do.

[SixStringSamurai]

For people with timed bans, not permanent ones.

[Dalton]

But you said "whatever the reason"!! 

[Bane]

It could be an insult, in feudal japan where men killed each other over incredibly diminutive slights of honor.

He never even said you were creepy; he said things you'd done were what he'd categorize as creepy. You seem eager to be personally offended. You insist sid has a grudge or must hate you because he's presenting his understanding and knowledge of the facts of it and try to convey a deliberately altered perception of him--others too, as well. (Or perhaps that is your genuine perspective, which is mildly frightening.) You'll likely accuse me of being chums with them for making this post. You sound outright delusional and personally wounded.

Posted primarily because I'm in near awe of your blatant lunacy and the thread can't get much more derailed.

also, semantics based debates with disregard for common sense ftw

[Dalton]

It could be an insult, in feudal japan where men killed each other over incredibly diminutive slights of honor.

He never even said you were creepy; he said things you'd done were what he'd categorize as creepy. You seem eager to be personally offended.

"I am trying to get rid of you because you're creepy." I'm not supposed to feel insulted by this?

You insist sid has a grudge or must hate you because he's presenting his understanding and knowledge of the facts of it and try to convey a deliberately altered perception of him--others too, as well.

This grudge has been around for years. I don't know what started it. I doubt HE even knows what started it. I just remember we used to bicker a LOT in the OOC lounge and it got to the point where he'd go out of his way to send negative comments my way, or he's just happen to start bitching about furries JUST as I logged in. Repeatedly. To the point where it wasn't coincidence. He cares enough about me that he started a "Dalton is a pedo and has child porn!" smear campaign, after being told to STFU by WebJ, resulting in his temporary absence from the forums. And even now, he still keeps talking about me in the OOC lounge for some reason. Don't forget I have a lot of friends in TK, don't think I don't hear about stuff like that.

Anyway, everybody keep your pants on. I'm not spinning a massive conspiracy tale. I'm not here making claims to the equivalent of "Bush did 9/11!". I'm simply saying that our current head mod is a quite biased entity who gets rid of people he dislikes and allows those he likes to flaunt the rules. It's not that hard to swallow. Anybody who pays attention to the goings-on around here can see it.

Bed time now.

[Bane]

I'm not supposed to feel insulted by this?

No. Get over it.

[Inquisitor]

Dear Dalton;

Me insulting you or purposefully making sure that I'm making fun of your degenerate lifestyle as soon as you enter is not a personal grudge. If you ask around the lobby, I'm sure you'll find that it's been my standard schtick for years.

However, I do thank you for your continued contribution to my glee and proving that, why, yes, people do get rather bothered when someone intentionally trolls them over the internet.

With Love,
The Inquisitor

++THOUGHT FOR THE DAY: HOPE IS THE FIRST STEP ON THE ROAD TO DISAPPOINTMENT.++

[Pink]

In closing, and unofficially, I'll say this: This is a website. This is not the last bastion of your free speech or the only place in the world you can troll people. It's not even the only place in the world people can go to roleplay. It's just a website with its own set of arbitrary rules enforced by a group of people who probably should go back to their real jobs instead of clinging to some sense of nostalgia. If you get banned, whatever the reason, it's not the end of the world. There's plenty of other things to do on the internet, and you're always welcome to come back after you've had your fill of flash games, porn and meme filled image galleries.

It doesn't seem right to go and insult people who feel they might have legitimate concerns, though. I didn't see anyone as screaming that their rights had been trampled upon---unless I missed something. Everyone knows that getting banned from this website isn't the end of the world---that's so obvious, and plenty of people have lives outside of this place. If you think we're wrong on some issues, then fine, but please don't insult the userbase. This sort of attitude is what's helping to breed so much contention in the first place.

Ker mentioned something about karma, well it works on both ends.

[Dalton]

stuff

My problem isn't the trolling. It's that you claim you have legitimate problems with the staff but whenever things like this come up, while the rest of us are trying to be reasonable and actually discuss the problem, you're dismissing and shooting down everything because annoying me is a higher priority than actually getting something accomplished.

[Xachariah]

Everyone knows that getting banned from this website isn't the end of the world---that's so obvious

KNIGHT I HOPE YOU'RE READING THIS

[Auvic]

Two cents: I don't doubt it'll be tl'dr'd anyway.

[10:06:20] <dalton> hello
[10:09:50] <Rycuda> hello
[10:10:51] <dalton> Is this the person who hacked CC?
[10:15:11] <Rycuda> Sorry but:
a) Who are you?
b) Define hacked?
[10:17:17] <dalton> never mind, mistook you for another person I guess.
[10:20:17] <Rycuda> I have played with the software that cc uses. I run my own copy of it. So yes in one sense I have hacked on HTMLChat.
I actually don't /care/ about cc enough to want to break into the server. So no in that sense I have not hacked cc.
[10:21:28] <dalton> Somebody had recently heard of my being banned from The Keep and informed me that they have on occasion hacked into CC because they have a working knowledge of MySQL. Might this be you? Are you only pretending to not know who I am?
[10:23:44] <Rycuda> I'd not have heard of you being banned from the keep. I've a good knowledge of MySQL, I've no doubt that it can be done. I would not be the one to do it.
[10:24:47] <dalton> Strange. I wonder why you're on my buddy list then. I could swear you were this person.

Funky. To be honest, this conversation doesn't sound like anything besides for:
"Yo dawg, herd u hack shiz."
"Nah mang, not me."
"O, k."

Roflolz at conspiracy justification.

Abel spammed the Lobby, and spam is an automatic ban.

8. Any user who uses The Keep for the purposes of spamming will be subject to kicking or any other punishment deemed appropriate by the administrative staff.
Spam being defined as the repetitious posting of nonsensical or meaningless letters, numbers, text or URLS.

Last I recall, Abel only posted a single post of ASCII; which, I suppose, could be 'repetitious' - is that even a word? Isn't it repetitive*? - if you want to say that more than one line of post-age is 'repetitious', but oh, y'know. I'm just a user here. What would I know about the rules? Or how to interpret them?
Also, it infers that 'kicking' is the default punishment, although it allows for a little bit of flexibility. Presumably after it's become 'repetitious', and not just a single post, amirite? Sure, you can do whatever you 'deem appropriate', but this seems strangely similar to a cop handing out tickets to people two miles over the speed limit.
It's in your jurisdiction, you're perfectly justified in doing so, but it won't stop people from scratching their heads at you and thinking to themselves, "Huh, well."