A formal apology.

[Devin`Asures]

Dear TK,

I'm Devin Asures, one of the moderators of the Adventurers-Guild RP room. I've come here today to apologise to the general public on behalf of the AG, because I've come to realise that we have treated some of you unfairly and been "assholes" to many more.

This apology is something I'm taking upon myself because I do not like what the AG has become. In the AG we have preferred to keep ourselves separate from the majority of TK, and that's led to an isolationist and mistrustful culture in the RP room. This is not an excuse for how we've treated some of you though.
Some of you were banned with justification, others are banned because we've known you from past RP places and want nothing to do with you, but in many cases I'm starting to suspect that the majority are the victims of hammer-happy moderators, myself included.

For that, I'd like to say I'm very sorry to those who were innocent victims.

So I, personally, am sorry, and I hope you'll accept my apology.

[Kade]

Regarding people outside the AG you said:

00:17:29 [Devin`Asures] i don't want to be lumped in with those well known people when they're all losers.
00:18:45 [Devin`Asures] The ones I know, I know for baad reasons. The ones i don't? Well, i couldn't care less about nobodies.

Would you say that you take this back?

[Moondog]

Dear TK,

I'm Devin Asures, one of the moderators of the Adventurers-Guild RP room. I've come here today to apologise to the general public on behalf of the AG, because I've come to realise that we have treated some of you unfairly and been "assholes" to many more.

This apology is something I'm taking upon myself because I do not like what the AG has become. In the AG we have preferred to keep ourselves separate from the majority of TK, and that's led to an isolationist and mistrustful culture in the RP room. This is not an excuse for how we've treated some of you though.
Some of you were banned with justification, others are banned because we've known you from past RP places and want nothing to do with you, but in many cases I'm starting to suspect that the majority are the victims of hammer-happy moderators, myself included.

For that, I'd like to say I'm very sorry to those who were innocent victims.

So I, personally, am sorry, and I hope you'll accept my apology.

Apologizing for being an ass is a hard thing to do. I've never had any issue with the Adventurer's Guild, myself. But I recognize that apologies take guts.

Good on you.

[Robo]

I've never interacted with the AG either, but I've heard nothing good about it, and it has caused me to stray away from it, mostly becuz of the reports of users being /kicked or /banned due to lurking, even though people lurk to see how the RP is, and to see if it is something they would like to join.

Does this mean that AG is going to open it's doors, and allow users to see what the AG is all about?

[Devin`Asures]

Moondog - Thanks. This sort of thing isn't easy for anyone.

Robo - I'm afraid I can't say if the AG is going to change its policies and stop being so harsh. While I'm offering an apology for everything the AG has done to upset others, I'm also acting as an individual. I hope they change, but I'm ending my involvement with that room because of the way it's become now. Having said that, I'm not against anyone giving them a go. Despite any OOC reputation the room has got, the RP there is very good and I'm sorry to leave it (but not the attitude).

[Kade]

... Or just dodge my question, thanks.

[-=Styles=-]

Peace out. =) Someone Tell Angelo, -Red and anyone else who knows Rampage/-=Styles=- I won't be coming back for a while.

[TheMadHatter]

Not many people have nice things to say about the AG. I just so happen to know a few friends that are apart of the roleplay to know usually what is going on. I agree that there are issues with it being isolated from the rest of the keep and seeming very stuck up in the rules. From personal experience, I was banned for something ungodly ridiculous. Although the ban was lifted soon after I had to speak with the head mod of the room. I know you guys are experiencing problems among your mods and yourselves. I would hate to see a room that has been around for such a long time to be divided. I do hope things work out for you guys. Just be good to one another and those outside of the AG.

[CaptainRobin]

I can't say my experiences with the AG as a whole have been anything close to pleasant (though conversely, I did have a brief skirt-in with RP there, once upon a time), but I can say that an apology is a good step.

Nonetheless, the problem is not the mistrust and isolationism, but the instant assumption of elitism taken up (by few/many, whomever and however many) within it.

Perhaps it would be a good step to try talking to the rest of the AG-- if you really must hold such ungrounded bases about the rest of TK, could you at least keep them to yourselves? I'm no expert roleplayer myself (quite poor at the work, actually), but there are geniuses just as much outside of AG as there are inside. It's rude to them, if to nobody else, to simply downcast the rest of TK as 'unwashed lesser beings,' if you will, for their choice to remain outside AG.

[Pink]

Dear TK,

I'm Devin Asures, one of the moderators of the Adventurers-Guild RP room. I've come here today to apologise to the general public on behalf of the AG, because I've come to realise that we have treated some of you unfairly and been "assholes" to many more.

This apology is something I'm taking upon myself because I do not like what the AG has become. In the AG we have preferred to keep ourselves separate from the majority of TK, and that's led to an isolationist and mistrustful culture in the RP room. This is not an excuse for how we've treated some of you though.
Some of you were banned with justification, others are banned because we've known you from past RP places and want nothing to do with you, but in many cases I'm starting to suspect that the majority are the victims of hammer-happy moderators, myself included.

For that, I'd like to say I'm very sorry to those who were innocent victims.

So I, personally, am sorry, and I hope you'll accept my apology.

[Kade]

Regarding people outside the AG you said:

00:17:29 [Devin`Asures] i don't want to be lumped in with those well known people when they're all losers.
00:18:45 [Devin`Asures] The ones I know, I know for baad reasons. The ones i don't? Well, i couldn't care less about nobodies.

Would you say that you take this back?

It's a simple yes or no...

[Dalton]

I thought the Projects were devoted to chasing away the angel/demon/vampire/neko munchkins?

[Arixus]

I'm not sorry at all for how the AG handled itself.

The AG has been on TK for longer than most rooms on TK for a reason--because it had standards, and those of you who weren't allowed to roleplay in there know exactly why you were banned.

As far as I'm concerned, Devin's speaking for himself, not the AG.

[Devin`Asures]

even found out that others went to Devin and tried to get answers as to why they were banned or being bad mouthed and his answer to them was in short that they were subpar RPers and should give up RPing

That's not true at all. I don't know who you are, Nunquam, but you seem to really have been hurt by whatever the AG did to you. Even to the point where you're making things up. Perhaps if you explain who you are and what happened to you rather than post "she said he said" stuff, we might get to the bottom of things.
I think it's silly to compare the AG to a 'project' since when I was a mod there, I had no idea what it was. If I'm reading the posts of others correctly, it sounds like a project was something designed to stamp out certain types of RPers? Like furries etc? The AG was not that at all.
There are a lot of things in your post that are quite off the mark, misinformation, and pure hearsay, Nunquam. You seem to have something really personal going on here, and I'm curious to know why. It's not often you see this kind of grudge carried on.

The way you write, with the lack of grammar and punctuation, strange wording and sentence structure, I'm guessing you're that Hawkeye lady, but we never had much to do with her, so maybe you aren't her. I had one run in with her when she went a little crazy and started to show me RL pictures of herself, but that was it.

I've said I'm sorry for any mistakes--REAL mistakes I made as a moderator, but I'm not going to accept that everything I did was wrong and that I'm some sort of nasty criminal who has terrorized TK rpers as a whole. The only time I ever talked to anyone in a capacity that might have been abusive was when they were in the AG room, so I've got to admit, a lot of what you're saying is confusing. I don't even know who most of you are.

[Auvic]

The Projects, Devin, was a group of RPers that joined under a banner - and named themselves the Projects, quite obviously - and attempted to induce some sort of large-scale RPing and the like.

As one might imagine from the generally negative opinion of them, they didn't do a very good job of encouraging others to RP, and earned a negative reputation for themselves by, I would assume, maintaining some sort of superficial status quo when it came to RPing with them, etc.

That, I think, would be the point that Nunquam was attempting to make, Devin, as oddly convoluted as it was.

That said, Nunquam, I don't know how long ago it was that members of the AG actively went and tried to 'recruit' people to come play from other rooms - I've been in/around the AG for more than a year or two now, and there hasn't been any evidence of that as long as I've been watching.
And if I remember correctly, the time of the Projects was something like ~6+ years ago; similarly, the events you speak of might be years ago as well. I'd imagine that'd be enough time to go ahead and forget about whether or not someone might or might not have wronged you online, no?

[Pink]

I AM NOT THAT HAWKEYE LADY. DONT EVEN GO THERE WITH ME. I know for a fact that Moncia Hawkeye's player went too far with sending pics ect. Not that Hawkeye Lady at all. I am not that player and I resent you even saying or hinting that I am.

You're obviously her. I don't even know who the fuck she is, but everyone who claims to NOT be her does this---and they all seem to end up being her.
If you aren't her, why do you have such a reaction? How do you even know her?

[Devin`Asures]

Pink, I'm glad you quoted that because I missed that post. It looks like Nunquam deleted all of her posts in this thread. I wonder why, and yes, I wonder why she had such a reaction too.
I'm guessing she is that Hawkeye lady. I've RPed with her once (and left after she started banning all of my friends) but her style of writing is quite distinctive so I'm certain I recognised it.

I'd still like to know why she took this so personally though. Hawkeye had hardly anything to do with the AG. She rarely spoke to us, and as I said, I only RPed with her once or twice until she went strange, banned my friends for joining in, and then started to whisper me saying she was crying and all and sent me links to a profile that had RL pictures of herself in it.

This whole thing has gone horribly off topic and I'm very very confused.

Auvic, thanks for the info. These project things sound way before my time on TK (I've only been here a year or two), so I won't worry about them.

[Auvic]

Not a problem, Dev.
The Projects were before my time as well, though I heard about them in the same breath that I heard about the Sacrosanct / SS, etc - and there aren't many positive feelings towards them from just about anyone.

That said, I wouldn't have imagined you would have heard of them, seeing as how the tK crowd I hang around tends to be far more diverse than the slightly-insulated-AG. Figured I'd give you that little bit of info, though, so as to clear up any confusion made by Nunquam.

[Kade]

Regarding people outside the AG you said:

00:17:29 [Devin`Asures] i don't want to be lumped in with those well known people when they're all losers.
00:18:45 [Devin`Asures] The ones I know, I know for baad reasons. The ones i don't? Well, i couldn't care less about nobodies.

Would you say that you take this back?

It's a simple yes or no...

...

[Ninja Kitten]

I'm not sorry at all for how the AG handled itself.

The AG has been on TK for longer than most rooms on TK for a reason--because it had standards, and those of you who weren't allowed to roleplay in there know exactly why you were banned.

As far as I'm concerned, Devin's speaking for himself, not the AG.

Then you're stupid. The way the AG has handled itself has alienated the rest of the userbase. In addition to driving away those you don't want, you've gotten a reputation that is passed on to new users, some (certainly not all) of which would meet your standards. However, you don't ever hear from those people, because they hear you're hard asses with no respect for people. In short, you're allowing your rp to stagnate, which is always the end of a good game.

[Arixus]

"Ninja Kitten"

That's exactly what I mean. I'm not sorry for alienating the "userbase" because the vast majority of them either were just obnoxious OOCers and not RPers at all, or not up to par with our expectations. The Guild's "reputation" has never hurt it. More than two years, and it still gets new players? I don't think it's stagnant at all.

And no, you're stupid!

[Icon]

Oh, I'm delighted to see such wonderfully intelligent conversation here.

[Arixus]

It's the TK forums, Icon.

If this is where you go for "intelligent conversation" then you're in trouble.

[Kade]

I'm not sorry at all for how the AG handled itself.

The AG has been on TK for longer than most rooms on TK for a reason--because it had standards, and those of you who weren't allowed to roleplay in there know exactly why you were banned.

As far as I'm concerned, Devin's speaking for himself, not the AG.

Then you're stupid. The way the AG has handled itself has alienated the rest of the userbase. In addition to driving away those you don't want, you've gotten a reputation that is passed on to new users, some (certainly not all) of which would meet your standards. However, you don't ever hear from those people, because they hear you're hard asses with no respect for people. In short, you're allowing your rp to stagnate, which is always the end of a good game.

History repeats itself. It happened on Battle.net before, and it is happening again. It's just a matter of time until everyone else becomes aware of what they're doing. They're just rude people, Ninja Kitten. Been that way for years. It's like they're just in denial. Most of the problems they encounter are caused by their own behavior, but they would rather blame the userbase than examine their own shortcomings in a meaningful and honest way. They blamed the userbase on Battle.net, and they're blaming the userbase on TK.

When I say they, I mean Arixus, Devin, Thorn, and the rest of the AG leadership. It's unfortunate that good people get caught up in their problems so often.

For the record, I'm glad that Devin is kind-of-sort-of glancing in that proverbial mirror. It's a start.

[Rosery]

I had refrained from posting in here because I am aware of the negative feelings for me that radiate from the AG despite the fact I never actually did anything bad to them, however regardless of there feelings for me I never stopped considering them friends and I am someone who always defends her friends if it comes down to a certain point. I rped in the AG for a few months and found it enjoyable, yes they have a somewhat high standard and remove those who don't meet it but on the same hand I have never seen Devin,Arixus,Irien or the other core players (Minus Thorn) treat anyone undeserving of disrespect in my former time there. If someone did not meet there expectations they politely asked them to vacate the room, if those people were rude and assholes about it they recivied the exact same treatment they dished out in return. If they came back in on a different name and were found out, well of course they got the boot now I would hazard a guess that maybe on occasion they might have banned someone who they thought was someone trying to sneak back in when the user wasn't the person they thought. However everyone makes mistakes and in there defense I saw a few people who I would gladly unfairly ban the odd person in order to keep out of my rooms too. So regardless of what flaming or insults I get from defending them, I will adamently say that I never saw them treat random people like crap or go into rooms and tell random people that they should have quit rping (In fact I never ever saw them say something to that extent.) So perhaps those of you who are slinging these accusations after Devin mustered the courage to apologize for what he saw as wrong, should have logs or proof before accusing people of such offenses or any kind of offense.