No OOC in IC rooms: strict enforcement?

[Moondog]

I remember the good old times, where OOC in IC rooms were cracked down on by all the users in it. Yeah, sure, you had the occassional "Hey man, how's it going?" "It goes, and you?" "Fine, fine." And then it went back to IC postings. If it persisted, other users not involved in the greetings would mentioned the getting back to IC.

But now?
Well, I tried to get some RP done in the Forest earlier this week, but after I made my post, no one posted. For 25 minutes. Then I just dropped it and logged out. That is one more reason for me to not even TRY and RP in open rooms.

It's odd. Whenever I go into the forest (except at 3 am, when I usually get the urge to RP for some reason), I usually don't have any trouble getting some random RP done.

But then, everyone else seems to have trouble with it. It must just be me being lucky or something I don't know.

[Robo]

I'm for it.

I believe, however, that a warning should be given.
But not the repeated "Hey guiz, knock it off". One warning is enough for unrelated OOC banter.

Also, MH isn't up for question. We're the default room of tK, and we've been an IC/OOC hybrid room for a while now. True, I can see people wondering "Why two OOC rooms? 'Specially when one is directly labeled OOC."

My answer: No fuckin' clue. But we are the default room of tK, and we get a lot of people asking questions about certain things. We do still RP in there, however. It's just a bunch of one-liners about random non-sensical acts, ranging from flipping a chair and inverting gravity while doing so, to calling an orbital bombardment on a single person (Ed).

But... getting back to the subject, I'm for (obviously) enforcing the AUP's rules about the OOC in default rooms. The main problem areas are the Pub, and the Arena. We've tried a few times to take back the Pub, and have been more-or-less succesful whilst doing it, but as soon as we leave, the OOCers slink right back in.

So, I'm for a Warning First, Action Afterwords. I know, some may say just /ignore the OOCers, but when you do that, it clears the screen, making you lose all the others posts, which means you have no reference for your post.

[Kade]

I know I'm going to get a lot of negative pies for this post, but here it goes.

so instead of pulling a bull shit 'man up, call a mod' argument,

I don't appreciate the strawman you built right there. ( http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html )

Take a moment to objectively analyze the situation instead

Take a moment to pragmatically analyze the situation. How are you going to effectuate the changes you desire? Other than going all nine yards and implementing a 24/7 steel-balled Mod stake-out in every room, being able to whisper for a Mod's attention at (almost) any time is pretty damn good. It's just up to you to whisper them -- or is that too much to ask of the users?

Edit: That being said, I still do believe enforcement of the AUP is in order. I just don't think we really need to napalm the OOC, if you get what I mean.

It's odd. Whenever I go into the forest (except at 3 am, when I usually get the urge to RP for some reason), I usually don't have any trouble getting some random RP done.

Same. So you're not just lucky.

[Von]

I wasn't venting at you, you were just the trigger Kade.  My bad.

I think we could get real change if the mods are given leave to randomly scout the default rooms and shut up all the OOC, regardless of whether people 'need' it or not.  I believe a nigh-complete squishing of OOC through random mod visits, given 'strict' enough enforcement, will spawn more RP.  I think this will be more effective than just 'a mod on call' alone.

[Nunquam]

I think it should be in place. But as I have looked over all the others sadly very sadly I have been in rooms I have created and been spammed by ooc post. I gave out many warnings to cut it out but it would not stop. So I kicked people out. Next thing I knew I was being yelled at that I was going to be reported for kicking without warning being mean and I was going to be 'permanently' banned from the Keep for kicking someone who was posting ooc after warnings. Sadly I had the unfortunate luck to have two of the AG RPers in the room. They were posting ooc and I gave several warnings. My warnings were ignored and when I kicked one person in particular I ended up not only getting yelled at ooc in whispers but told off by the AG 'rpers' themselves for being a jerk. It was my room!!! So now I do give out warnings still, and still they keep posting ooc. I get fed up and I leave the room for I am tired of the one being yelled at that I am being mean and they (those who get kicked) are going to report me to the adm. and have me banned from the keep. Yes I was the moderator of the room. And when I reported them (those who were kicked) to the adms for the harassment and sent in the logs. Nothing was done. My char and several of those who ran with me got slammed in the AG room and from what I have been told by others am still getting slammed in the AG room for kicking due to ooc posting. I think it is a great idea but you are going to have a ton and I mean a ton of crybabies and whiners yelling that it is unfair. Why do you think most will not stay at the Keep to RP anymore.

[Dalton]

if the mods are given leave to randomly scout the default rooms

Are the mods not allowed to check out the rooms? I think they are. If they aren't, that indicates a lack of desire to do so.

[Von]

if the mods are given leave to randomly scout the default rooms

Are the mods not allowed to check out the rooms? I think they are. If they aren't, that indicates a lack of desire to do so.

Well they have leave, but like Nunquam said there'll be a shit load of bitching.  What I want is some sort of agreement letting the mods go martial law on OOC and strip that shit down and out, so that when people say 'WHAT THE FUCK THIS SUCKS' we can point them to this thread, or perhaps an updated AUP.

[Von]

I think it should be in place. But as I have looked over all the others sadly very sadly I have been in rooms I have created and been spammed by ooc post. I gave out many warnings to cut it out but it would not stop. So I kicked people out. Next thing I knew I was being yelled at that I was going to be reported for kicking without warning being mean and I was going to be 'permanently' banned from the Keep for kicking someone who was posting ooc after warnings. Sadly I had the unfortunate luck to have two of the AG RPers in the room. They were posting ooc and I gave several warnings. My warnings were ignored and when I kicked one person in particular I ended up not only getting yelled at ooc in whispers but told off by the AG 'rpers' themselves for being a jerk. It was my room!!! So now I do give out warnings still, and still they keep posting ooc. I get fed up and I leave the room for I am tired of the one being yelled at that I am being mean and they (those who get kicked) are going to report me to the adm. and have me banned from the keep. Yes I was the moderator of the room. And when I reported them (those who were kicked) to the adms for the harassment and sent in the logs. Nothing was done. My char and several of those who ran with me got slammed in the AG room and from what I have been told by others am still getting slammed in the AG room for kicking due to ooc posting. I think it is a great idea but you are going to have a ton and I mean a ton of crybabies and whiners yelling that it is unfair. Why do you think most will not stay at the Keep to RP anymore.

Your room, your rules (s'long as you don't break the AUP, which you can see by clicking the RULES button).  You can ban and kick people at your whim in your own rooms, Nunquam, as much as you want whenever you want.

[Inquisitor]

I also remember back when blatant munchkins were publicly mocked/shunned until they left the room. Now the angel/demon/neko/vampire OOCers outnumber the people with common sense enough that, if push came to shove, it'd end up being the decent IC roleplayer who gives up and leaves.

inb4 "Dalton you're banned how did you know there were munchkins in the Keep!"

Elitism, just what this site needs more of

[Nunquam]

Yes I know what the rules say and that is exactly what the Adm told me. My room my rules. But I get tired of having RPers come in spam a room and when you (the mod) kick or ban them from the room they start to whisper nasty little things and say they are going to get you banned from the Keep for good. It is out of contorl. That is why there are so few comeing to the Keep let alone staying in the Keep because they are tired of 'piss poor' rpers getting their panties in a bunch and either yelling at them or cussing them out or kicking them from a room because they dnot para post, or they are not the right 'type' of char instead of just saying nicely 'hey if you cant para post or are not a certain type of char please leave.' but nope they get nasty. So I would love to see this ooc and IC rule go into place because it wont help.......All hell will break loose.

[Dalton]

Users harassing you? Tell mods.

Few people coming to TK? Lol, this is one of the biggest sites...

[Kill Boy]

So, why is this important?

[Dalton]

So, why is this important?

Try reading the post previous to mine.

[Nunquam]

I was the mod of the room. I told the Adm, I sent in the logs and no the harassment never stopped. Even carring over to the next day or when I would reappear. Then the 'pissed off' rper would have their 'friends' IC and OOC harrass me. It has gotten out of hand and it will only keep getting worse even if they make it that rooms are strictly IC only except for the rooms posted as ooc rooms.

[Dalton]

If that's true, that's pretty serious. Make some complaint threads. Just be ready to back up what you say.

As for this thread, let's get back on focus with the original question.

[Kill Boy]

Reading. You know, I read Anansi boys and American Gods recently. Both really great books. My favorite author is Neil Gaiman now. I mean, he has such a dry sense of humor and I feel kind of bad when it takes me a few read throughs to get some of the jokes. I feel kind of slow at times. Anyway, I read through Sandman soon after that and I finally had an appreciation for it.

I know a lot of people like Terry Pratchett, or however you spell his name. I tried reading one of his books and found myself terribly bored, but I liked Good Omens. I don't know what was wrong with the book I read. Maybe I didn't like many of the jokes. I don't like cats in general and the book was about some cats and mice.

Anyway, I found myself locked in...wait, Dalton why do you even care?

[Lorelai]

Reading. You know, I read Anansi boys and American Gods recently. Both really great books. My favorite author is Neil Gaiman now. I mean, he has such a dry sense of humor and I feel kind of bad when it takes me a few read throughs to get some of the jokes. I feel kind of slow at times. Anyway, I read through Sandman soon after that and I finally had an appreciation for it.

I know a lot of people like Terry Pratchett, or however you spell his name. I tried reading one of his books and found myself terribly bored, but I liked Good Omens. I don't know what was wrong with the book I read. Maybe I didn't like many of the jokes. I don't like cats in general and the book was about some cats and mice.

I love Neil Gaiman's work, he does great stuff. If you haven't read Neverwhere yet, you definitely should. I only like a few of Pratchett's things, including Good Omens. And yeah, some of that British humor takes me a little while to get.

Wait...what was this thread about again?

[LiteracyScaresMe]

I love you, KB.

I love you so hard.

[Dalton]

I love you, KB.

you really pwned Dalton 8D

[LiteracyScaresMe]

I was talking about the Neil Gaiman love, Dalton, not anything about you. Neil Gaiman is the goddamn MAN.
And yeah. Read Neverwhere, KB. Even though they're geared towards children, Coraline and The Graveyard Book are wonderful, too.

@Nunquam, if they do that, you can always initiate /ignore. If they log on to other names to keep pestering you, though, then you should get public moderators involved. I couldn't see why someone would be that big of a dick over being told to keep OOC down, but then again, some people take everything too seriously.
Really, if people who complain that much don't like tK, they don't have to keep coming back. There's a million other places out on the internet to go to RP. Sounds like whoever you were dealing with just needs to chill out. Sorry you had to deal with them. (That said, I don't know the entire story of it. Maybe something in how you worded yourself set them off, I don't know.)

[Bane]

I voted no and am going to lazily elaborate.

I don't know what 'strict' entails exactly but I'm sure I probably wouldn't like it. After about one page height of bickering I'm usually ready to say "cut it out" if no one else does. They usually do.

Strict makes me envision a mod going "stop that" after 3-4 OOC posts.

In places like the forest I usually saw roleplay set up by mild OOC.

I'm don't feel like doing any more with words.

[Ninja Kitten]

Personally, I don't get what the big deal is.
Yes, I know they're IC rooms, and that it's OOC
going down in them that has everyone up in arms.
But honestly, the Mods can already patrol the default
rooms. If they're not doing it. That means they don't want to
do it. I've been a part of several 'raids' on the pub to
cut the ooc in there, and for the most part they work.
I actually went into the Pub the other day and was greeted
by a wall of IC postage. I was rather impressed.
That's beside the point though. Calling for Strict Enforcement (whatever the hell that means)
is stupid. The mods could already enforce that particular
rule. And they choose not too.

I see no reason for this thread to even exist.

Oh, and leave our MainHall alone. We're happy with the way things are in there.

[Kade]

*Gives pies to Kitten.*

[Ruindil]

I've been back for less than a week after a year's sabbatical. So far, the Mainhall is actually better than it had been before I left. It's still no where near what it once was, but the players who made it the focal point of the nexxus are gone as well, so the Golden years remain Golden.

Now the Arena, on the other hand... I walked in there the other night just to see what people's fighting styles had evolved to, whether para's were still the rage, and gods who don't have a clue how to use their powers still bullied folks with verbose descriptions of how they wipe their arse.

Instead, I found a group of people all ooc, bashing a character in another room for her profile. Now, in this groups defense, they were bashing the woman's profile because she specifically stated she was looking for an incest Rp. People are tapped, especially in the Keep...but we know this. At least the girl was trying to actually Rp. These people in the Arena were doing nothing of sort. And worse, they were being encouraged by the trial moderator of the room. Don't ask me her name..Pithetch or something equally forgettable. The point is, if these are the folks that are even being considered for modship of a public room, then the Keep's standards have fallen beyond redemption.

Ooc in rooms has always been an issue. It's up to the players in the room to moderate themselves. That may not be possible, given the overall culture that's been corrupted throughout the years... but if its been allowed to get this bad, then it might slowly become as good as it once was. That's up to more people than those who read this forum to decide.

Discussion helps. It's a step in the right direction. Know what will really fix the Keep though? Go out and Play. I'll hope to see you folks around.

~Ruin, as always, with the player guy, Joe~

[Dalton]

The point is, if these are the folks that are even being considered for modship of a public room, then the Keep's standards have fallen beyond redemption.

Sideus/Inquisitor was a moderator for a little while.