The Super-Magical Logical Hatred Thread!

[Jason Baane]

Ambushes: Yes, I do agree that fighting is fun, but it gets tiring very fast when every time I go IC, some guy pops out of nowhere and promptly launches 20 LRMs from his Mad Cat Battlemech. On one hand, sure you might of pissed off tons of people, but on the other hand, this doesn't mean they should have ULTRA MAGICAL RAD POWAHS when it comes to finding you.

No one plays battletech outside of mechwarrior RPs that typically die in short order from lack of interest. Besides, battletech is effectively defeated by Napoleonic Earth. 630 meter long range missiles, lol.

[Ganseki]

Actually, I think that a TK wide War would be a interesting thing to do.  Of course, there would have to be limitations as to where it goes *So Trolls that I mentioned before don't have a reason to go into a room simply to troll*  It could be alot like Hero Clix meets Brawls if done right.

And now, for the part that I hate: At the same time, I can easily see peope either complaining, ignoring it, but the worst part is, there would have to be some kind of pre-set definition on everybodies power level, because it would simply turn into one giant E-Penis battle.

But on another note, if it Does happen, it should be Sides run by the site mods. You Know, to keep things 'fair'

[Dalton]

I've been on sites where there are rules and power levels and stuff, but it doesn't help as much as you might think it would. People just pick the highest stats that the rules allow them to have, so in the end everybody is on a completely level playing ground. I guess that's fine if you like just rolling dice at people and having a 50/50 chance to win, but it makes no sense that some kid mage is equal to a traveling warrior who's been wandering and fighting for the last three decades.

It goes right back into something I've always hated about roleplayers in general, but especially free form: Everybody thinks they're entitled to a "fair chance to win". Look, if you're playing a fire-breathing dragon and I am playing a knight with enchanted mithril armor, a fireproof cloak, and wielding the legendary Dragonbane, a 50/50 chance is bullshit. Similarly, I wouldn't expect this dragonslaying character to make it very far trying to hack through undead. Some characters just have advantages over others, so if the outlook is grim then accept defeat and flee instead of crying like a bitch that somebody is beating you for a good reason.

[Moondog]

I've been on sites where there are rules and power levels and stuff, but it doesn't help as much as you might think it would. People just pick the highest stats that the rules allow them to have, so in the end everybody is on a completely level playing ground. I guess that's fine if you like just rolling dice at people and having a 50/50 chance to win, but it makes no sense that some kid mage is equal to a traveling warrior who's been wandering and fighting for the last three decades.

It goes right back into something I've always hated about roleplayers in general, but especially free form: Everybody thinks they're entitled to a "fair chance to win". Look, if you're playing a fire-breathing dragon and I am playing a knight with enchanted mithril armor, a fireproof cloak, and wielding the legendary Dragonbane, a 50/50 chance is bullshit. Similarly, I wouldn't expect this dragonslaying character to make it very far trying to hack through undead. Some characters just have advantages over others, so if the outlook is grim then accept defeat and flee instead of crying like a bitch that somebody is beating you for a good reason.

Couldn't the dragon just reduce the ground underneath you to a magma filled morass, then rapidly fan it with its wings to quick-cool it, and casually bite your head off while you're stuck knee deep in solid rock?

[Auvic]

It goes right back into something I've always hated about roleplayers in general, but especially free form: Everybody thinks they're entitled to a "fair chance to win".

Translation:
"More people need to be willing to let their characters die."
And, oddly enough, there are a few. Not many, but it's not like they don't exist.

Specifically, Musician and I had a little thing in which my soldier met his dragon.
....Sure I was hella upset at the outcome, but it didn't stop anything from happening.

I don't quite understand the mindset that some people've expressed, that "If you're going to RP someone, you might as well make him awesome and powerful, because if you wanted to do an average - and/or low-powered - joe shmoe, you should go outside, instead."

[SilverStreak]

"More people need to be willing to let their characters die."

That or some people just need to grow the hell up when it comes to character deaths.

If someone's character dies in one RP, there is nothing, in my opinion, stopping him or her from continuing to use that character elsewhere.

Example: Character enters RP A, and gets killed in it ... he is furthermore barred from ever being in RP A again, but is still perfectly eligible to be in RP B, or RP C. If killed in Public rooms, then he's only allowed to join private RPs ... etc. etc.

A character is the intellectual property of its creator: the only person who can really decide that character's fate. Acknowledging a death is an exercise in fairness, as well as a courtesy to the rest of the players, by acknowledging the character's faults and shortcomings, thus allowing the RP to continue.

Additionally, time, in-character, does not have to flow linearly.

Personally, if I were entering into combat with a 'beloved' character, and he died, I could just act as though every RP I entered into thereafter was taking place before that said demise.

Call me a megalomaniac if you must, but, let's be honest, for most circumstances, the only other person to whom that aforementioned death even matters, is the person who dealt it in the first place.

Back in the day I used to RP on a server where the official forums had a 'Death Board' where the transcripts of combat could be posted for rulings by "judges" ... all because people would all bitch and moan about getting slain or killed. It was a very dark time IMHO... though I guess in my recollection, there was a fair amount of metagaming and an abundance of power characters ... so occasionally someone would bitch about being killed when it was legitimate to do so...

[Dalton]

Translation:
"More people need to be willing to let their characters die."

Not necessarily, but at least run away, or surrender, or otherwise accept defeat. Not just keep dodging, bullshitting new powers, and absolutely refusing to believe that your precious character could ever meet his match.

[MadMusician]

Honestly, I didn't feel too great about killing Auvic's char.

While it's nice to see someone actually take a death though, and it'll sound odd coming from me...it's also good to not try to kill every asshole that crosses you. Sometimes, you can do much more evil things to them.

[Ganseki]

Ya know what I am really starting to hate?  Good old fashioned characters are just not around anymore.  Like, a typical setting kinda of character, someone who is actually building their way up, grouping with others cause they have to, because they don't automatically have amazing powers and abilities from start.  And, on that line of topic, I also hate that there doesnt seem to be to much variety in races anymore.

It seems to be along the lines of these kinds of beings that can most easily be found:

1. Elf *Or some other variation, including half breeds*
2. Humans *Usually with mad skillz to pay the billz, and no real character development other then what could be crammed into the backstory*
3. Nightmarish Monsters *Or a variation of it, including things modeled after the Seven Deadly Sins*
4. Dragons.


Whats happened to the other classic races? Things like Orcs, Dwarfs, Gnomes, Halflings *And their variations*  Is it simply that its a bit harder to fit in?  It might take a bit more rping skill then the typical half Neko/Dragon/Vampire/Pixie/God/Demon *Usually all mashed into one being*  Or is the fact that these races actually require a bit of background study a bit to daunting for most? *And for those that dont study...thank you for sticking with vampires.  That group is already screwed up enough as is*

Just saying that it would be interesting to see more of a solid variety in TK.

[Jason Baane]

Silvermoon had three Dwarf characters in it simultaneously at one point tonight. Not sure about the other areas of TK, however.

[Dalton]

I'll have you know that when I play elves I put a good deal of effort into it!

... in fact, my last elf was so detailed that it alienated the other elves, who acted more like pointy-eared humans than actual elves.

[Ganseki]

I know about the Dwarfs, I play one of em.  Also, not saying that playing a elf is bad, but I was saying that there are to many people that are playing elfs, like its the Goths new Black or something.

[Soja]

...
3. Nightmarish Monsters *Or a variation of it, including things modeled after the Seven Deadly Sins*
4. Dragons.

This stupid gimmick has pissed me off for a while.

And dragons tend to lose their charm when there are eleventy billion of them, most of them using it as their ticket to being über.

EDIT: Also, NUMBER OF THE BEAST. \m/

[Moondog]

...
 NUMBER OF THE BEAST. \m/

HELL. AND FIRE. Was spawned to be RELEASED.

[Jason Baane]

I know about the Dwarfs, I play one of em.

Ouch. Well, don't I feel like a jerkface?

[CaptainRobin]

Not necessarily, but at least run away, or surrender, or otherwise accept defeat. Not just keep dodging, bullshitting new powers, and absolutely refusing to believe that your precious character could ever meet his match.

Dalton speaks the utter truth. 'More people need to accept defeat,' really; I have adamantly avoided IC fights for a long time. Regrettably, I just find it the most muddled and inefficient medium of character building; recently, I attacked a demon (who was perfectly corporeal as he interacted with the physical plane quite frequently) with a character of mine, who was an expert in holy-property magic... and the demon proceeded to ignore all effects of my attacks. I was rolling with it anyways (bitching begets bitching) and decided to make my character take a roundabout way, but he left instead, calling me a "shit stain on a babys diaper" in kind parting... so, yeah, accepting that every strength is generally accompanied by a weakness would be a good start.

Ganseki: 100% agreed (and a pie for you!) on that third point. Seriously; from personal view, if I were the incarnation of one of the seven deadly sins, I think the last thing I'd want to look like is an emaciated make-up drawer. I don't get the connection; you'd think that, being derived from sin incarnate, they'd look a little less... well, in the visage of what most people nowadays consider gay. (You might also expect that they wouldn't be gay, but hey) Every time a seven deadly sins RP sprouts from the bowels of someone's mind and takes root on TK (and after it dies, thank God, har har) I cringe, because I know it's just people pretending they're somehow amazingly better than furries, or something.

Also, dwarves and orcs are around, and I honestly don't see that many elves. What I do see are Drow everywhere... but then, I'm not familiar with what a Drow is or constitutes, so I tend not to judge them heavily. I have no basis to do so, really.

[Jason Baane]

I'm not familiar with what a Drow is or constitutes, so I tend not to judge them heavily. I have no basis to do so, really.

Fancy name for Dark Elf. Or, as I like to call them, Emo Elf.

[Moondog]

'Drow' is the racial name for what other, surface dwelling creatures in various Dungeons and Dragons settings, such as Faerun, Eberron, and Oerth know as 'Dark Elves'.

They live in a vast underground complex of caverns that runs under entire continents, known as the 'Underdark'.

They are by and large Neutral to Chaotic Evil in alignment, primarily due to the fact that they worship a deity known as Llolth, who is really just an over-blown ex-Demon Lord (seriously, 122 HP? Pitiful).

Llolth demands that the Drow constantly bicker and fight amongst themselves, ostensibly to ferret out the weak and stupid among them, and kill them off to strengthen the race as a whole, but in reality, she does it because the chaos and cruelty of mothers killing daughters and vice versa amuses her terribly.

Drow have a matriarchal society by and large, this is again due to Llolth.

They tend to have a spider fetish, as well as very strong BDSM undertones, Lollth is the queen of the Demon Web Pits in the Infinite Layers of The Abyss, hence the spiders, I 'unno where the whips and black leather come from, and don't really care.

There IS and HAS been a precedent for 'Good Drow' before R.A Salvatore's trademark Drizzt Do'Urden, this comes in the form of Elistraee, a minor deity in the Drow Pantheon who shuns Llolth's stupidly chaotic and evil ways and tries to encourage at least some good in the people.

Personally I think Drow are vastly over-rated as far as bad guys go, their only real cool attribute is that their awesome magical weapons stop working in the sunlight, so you can hurl a party of equipped drow up against a party of PCs, without them suddenly gaining a metric buttload of cool gear after the fight is over.

 

[Auvic]

Personally I think Drow are vastly over-rated as far as bad guys go, their only real cool attribute is that their awesome magical weapons stop working in the sunlight, so you can hurl a party of equipped drow up against a party of PCs, without them suddenly gaining a metric buttload of cool gear after the fight is over.

I loves me some Darkoil.

Generally speaking, Robin, Drow are intended to be the "cruel, black sheep anti-elf elf" of the Elves. They're elves that hate elves, they're elves that hate people, don't hug trees, want to kill more or less anyone and everyone - including each other at almost any chance - and...yeah. But don't mistake them for being 'big dumb brutes' either - their main asset, more than anything else, was originally intended to be their intelligence - manipulative, cunning, and all that good stuff.

BDSM isn't necessary - just a superiority complex.
Neither is the spider fetish. Just because your religion centers around some chick who happens to be half-spider doesn't mean everyone's interested. Quite a few aren't.

[Dalton]

I love what drow are meant to be.

What they actually are is another thing entirely, and not one I am fond of.

[Auvic]

Same as furries, eh?

[Jason Baane]

People who copy/paste whispers and post them in public.

It's rude, and neither I nor anyone else fucking cares if someone said 'boobs,' or asked you an honest question that you happened to think was stupid.

[SilverStreak]

People who copy/paste whispers and post them in public.

It's rude, and neither I nor anyone else fucking cares if someone said 'boobs,' or asked you an honest question that you happened to think was stupid.

Aww, but sometimes it's just plain hilarious when <Insert Creepy Guy Name> asks <Insert Random Chick Name> for <Insert Fetish Name Here> RP in a really obvious, insensitive, or bizarre way.

I've never been the paster, nor the pastee. But sometimes when that shit happens it just needs to be shared. Gotta spread the love! 

[Jason Baane]

Aww, but sometimes it's just plain hilarious

If you're three, I guess.

[Furr]

To the creepy whisper thing, sometimes the creeps just has to be exposed.
Simple as that.

But other than that? I don't really condone sharing of whispers. They are private for a reason.