EXCUSE ME SIR BUT I APPEAR TO BE BANNED :B

[Silent.Kamikaze]

It would seem I have been banned for reasons I deem unjust. I plead my case to Web Janitor, and hopes his janitorial duties mop my ban from the dirty, dirty floors of The Keep.

Whilst minding my own business on a quiet eve, not past the eighth hour in my far away land... when all of a sudden, I switched windows. I looked The Arena, and what did I see? A ruckus. I haven't an idea what it was about, but I saw SSS brandishing his modly whip like a sadist. Like a sadist, Janitor! Well, I'm not one to stand by and let any sort of three lettered man speak down to a young lady, so I saids, I saids, 'SSS u a homo' AND THEN HE KICKED ME! WITHOUT WARNING! Unjust, I say!

When I returned I figured my lesson learned, and begged his forgiveness, even addressing the Arena with the truth. I told them that Six was not a homosexual, his heterosexuality had been proven when he tried to assault women in bed with small children.

Then the ogre banned me. On Petra. And then on Leilana.

Why??? I hadn't told a lie, I had apologized, I had revealed his true sexuality to the room and given evidence!

Seriously though, the guy banned me without warning simply for insulting him. I have had worse said to me, but I guess because I'm not a moderator it doesn't matter?

[Cosmodeous]

Petra... I say this with all the politeness i can muster for you. keep your damn head down if you see mods trying to handle a problem. Don't add to the problem by dicking around. It was an appropriate ban so do not whine. serve out your freaking sentence. Really I mean that in all politeness.

[Silent.Kamikaze]

I honestly don't even know what the problem was. Just came in and called him a homo.
A single comment isn't really 'dicking around' and considering he didn't even warn me before kicking or banning, I think it was a little petty. In all politeness, go get yourself a nice HOT DICKING and simmer the fuck down, Cosmod. I say that with love. <3

[Solum]

Lulz. U got bant.

[Kade]

Everyone was insulting the moderator at the time.

Supposedly, she got banned because she accused him of a sex-crime. Something about getting frisky in bed while children watched.

If that was the case, why wasn't anyone else banned when similarly grotesque accusations/insults were flung at other people in the room?

Answer: Because it was directed at SSS, a moderator.


My conclusion? Inconsistency, bias, and favoritism on SSS' part.


Ban everyone who broke whatever rule she broke that night, lift the ban, or at the very least APOLOGIZE to her, imho. This kind of stuff is how mods get a bad wrap. Their emotions get involved, their feelings get hurt, and they do something unprofessional that earns them a few haters with chips on their shoulders about it.

[Darling]

Insulting a mod while they're trying to deal with a problem is like insulting a cop trying to control a crowd. You don't do it. Kristina's ban wasn't undeserved, but the fact that others weren't banned for the same problem is. That's all.

Edit: What I meant to say in that confusing post was that the others who were boldly insulting SSS should have been banned as well. At least kicked. Then again, SSS would have had to kick the whole room since the situation wasn't dealt with very well.

[-=Styles=-]

The moderator openly announced they were going to start the kicks. That should have been enough to quiet those who robbed a night of RP form a few players. Kicks lead to bans. -=shrugs=-

Regardless of how everyone thinks the job should have been done, bias would be exclaimed on any party, so it's a fruitless effort.

How is it in any way intelliegent to provoke a moderator when they're on the course of duty?

Interpretation is interpretation is interpretation.

Whatever....

[Kade]

Insulting a mod while they're trying to deal with a problem is like insulting a cop trying to control a crowd. You don't do it. Kristina's ban wasn't undeserved, but the fact that others weren't banned for the same problem is. That's all.

Edit: What I meant to say in that confusing post was that the others who were boldly insulting SSS should have been banned as well. At least kicked. Then again, SSS would have had to kick the whole room since the situation wasn't dealt with very well.

At the same time, cops are called names, flipped off, and generally hated-at on a daily basis by people they know and people they don't. They're professionals, and they don't behave like SSS did. Hell, even during riots, when cops are REALLY trying to control a crowd, they don't arrest every single bottle-thrower/bird-flipper. Their main goal is to diffuse the situation and get everyone safe. Bad metaphor, Marz.

[Silent.Kamikaze]

Yes it was.
My first insult was a petty, non-personal run of the mill remark.
The only reason I made a second comment was because he kicked me over the first, without warning, which was stupid.

So many worse things have been said to chatters and moderators, and gone unpunished.
Insulting someone isn't listed as a bannable offense, so I'm a little confused.

People are just saying my 'ban was deserved' because they dislike me for reasons completely unrelated to the situation. A little immature, but I kind of expect that from you people ahurr :B


Also just a note: I never saw him warn about kicks. But I can't really 'prove' that I wasn't looking at the screen or paying attention so believe what you will.

[Darling]

At the same time, cops are called names, flipped off, and generally hated-at on a daily basis by people they know and people they don't. They're professionals, and they don't behave like SSS did. Bad metaphor, Marz.

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Yeah, you're right. Bad metaphor, because mods on this site aren't professional. They're people just like the rest of us, so that was an even more stupid move on Kristina's part to openly, and without any goading, jump in to a problem and blatantly insult a mod with sexual insults.

Also. Kristina was first kicked for her behavior. She came back in, made an even WORSE statement when she'd already been kicked, and then got banned.

And then, Kristina came in a THIRD time by evading ban from a mod, and got banned again.

Kristina deserved to be kicked, banned, and banned. The other people in the room insulting SSS should have been kicked as well, and they should have been banned if they came back in after being kicked with an even WORSE attitude.

Funny thing though, the people who came in after being kicked changed their tune. Hm.

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People are just saying my 'ban was deserved' because they dislike me for reasons completely unrelated to the situation. A little immature, but I kind of expect that from you people ahurr :B

All I have to say to this.... is lol.

[-=Styles=-]

The only reason I made a second comment was because he kicked me over the first, without warning, which was stupid.

Yeah don't feel like you're the only one. I got botted out of the fucking room about five minutes into my arrival for NOTHING, all because one of the mods (who needs to pull their head out of their ass) apparently made a warning about some Zero tolerance.

Yeah...real nice job backing that up, by the way. Let's kick the people who didn't do anything, but let the fuckin' trolls stack piles of shit in the room for an hour before something's done.

[TheMadHatter]

I disagree with this ban!

I have watches an entire room gang up on someone and tell them to go kill themselves. Call them faggots, etc. No one is ever banned. Then one comment about being a homo direct at a moderator and she is banned for a day. Which makes me wonder. When I needed a moderator to help me deal with an issue, why wasn't the person who was harassing me never even spoken too? Let alone not kicked or banned?

So then what is the difference between 'sexual assault' and 'trolling'? Trolling happens all the time with many sexual/personal assaults. But I guess that's okay.

[-=Styles=-]

Being kicked, I can understand why that was done.

The initial ban...not so much.

The second ban, for ban evasion, that's an obvious one.



So we are holding a discrepensy about the initial ban. Let's stick with that instead of another clusterfuck that leads everything completely off subject.

[TheMadHatter]

Being kicked, I can understand why that was done.

The initial ban...not so much.

The second ban, for ban evasion, that's an obvious one.



So we are holding a discrepensy about the initial ban. Let's stick with that instead of another clusterfuck that leads everything completely off subject.

I'm upset only by the initial ban, because it was unfair and uncalled for.

[Darling]

Anyway. Kristina fucked up, I don't think she should be perma-banned. I think there were worse offenders in the room that should have been kicked and dealt with before Kristina, but Kristina still pulled a dumb-shit move. SSS handled the "Arena Incident" today poorly. Along with Kristina, other people should have been kicked and banned.

I'm out. I'm too tired to give a hoot, and plus I wasn't stupid enough to insult the mod in the room with increasingly explicit sexual insults so I don't have anything to worry about. Good thing she has Kade to champion for her (someone who has also banned Kristina from his roleplays, lol)

[Solum]

One thing some of you forget.

The Keep is not the government. They have a list rules. And that's commendable. But ultimately this is a social environment, not a legal one. They have no real obligation to rightfully uphold the AUP. In fact, they wrote it, and can rewrite it whenever the fuck they want. The fact they set themselves guidelines is generous, not mandatory.

It being FACT that the TK is a social hub, and not a courtroom, I would have to say the most stupid thing a person could do is intentionally offend a MOD while they are handling a chore (because it really isn't a duty). The administrators and mods of TK are not law enforcement officials. There exist no ramifications for kicking and banning their users, besides community backlash like this. There is no 'standard' beyond the guidelines they set for themselves.

The point remains: Petra was out of line, and got her just desserts. If she got worse desserts than everyone else, she probably went out of her way to PISS the people off wielding the big stick, and a lot more than other people. Unless anyone in here is actually so gullible as to think petra was the most mild personality in the room. *rolls his eyes* Like I said, TK is a social environment. And unless everyone is going to quit coming here because of what SSS did to Petra, the talk won't matter.  

Fun Note: I've never read the AUP. I've never been in trouble with the mods, either. Is this a miracle? Nope. I just know the best way not to get my ass banned is to make some effort to get along with people, and especially not piss off the people in charge of this SOCIAL place. If I were running my own community, and some stupid twit had the gull to accuse me of sleeping with children or something, I'd click the ban button and go 'lulz'. Got that moron. If the other morons offended me less, they got less. But the notion Petra is owed any sort of apology is asinine at best.  

[-=Styles=-]

I don't think she was perma-banned. Someone dropped a whisper and said that she was recieving only one day, I think.

Not 100% on that, so don't quote me.

[TheMadHatter]

I don't think she was perma-banned. Someone dropped a whisper and said that she was recieving only one day, I think.

Not 100% on that, so don't quote me.

It was a day, but after she came in the second time her ban was made longer than that.

[-=Styles=-]

Then unfortunately she brought that upon herself. But, this isn't about that.

No, I don't think it's fair that she was banned for a minimal amount of upheaval during the shitstorm of OoC initially.

Yes, I think it was a poor decision on her behalf to provoke the mod directly.


Metaphor: I've had enough run-ins with law enforcement to know how ridiculous they get with their power. I've had friend arrested for simply saying things such as "He didn't do anything, officer." just to 'prove a point'

[Kade]

Yeah don't feel like you're the only one. I got botted out of the fucking room about five minutes into my arrival for NOTHING, all because one of the mods (who needs to pull their head out of their ass) apparently made a warning about some Zero tolerance.

In another thread, aren't you arguing in favor of a more iron-fist approach? Lol. Ironic. (Omg, Iron-fist, Iron-ic? I'm dumb. D:)

Also. Kristina was first kicked for her behavior. She came back in, made an even WORSE statement when she'd already been kicked, and then got banned.

And then, Kristina came in a THIRD time by evading ban from a mod, and got banned again.

Kristina deserved to be kicked, banned, and banned. The other people in the room insulting SSS should have been kicked as well, and they should have been banned if they came back in after being kicked with an even WORSE attitude.

Funny thing though, the people who came in after being kicked changed their tune. Hm.

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People are just saying my 'ban was deserved' because they dislike me for reasons completely unrelated to the situation. A little immature, but I kind of expect that from you people ahurr :B

All I have to say to this.... is lol.

Petra was originally kicked for talking when the mod said no more OOC, and as Silent Kamikaze stated, she didn't even know she wasn't supposed to OOC. At the time, it was scrolled well off-screen by other people OOC'ing after SSS' order. Not all of those people were kicked. (Inconsistency #1)

She came back in and insulted a mod (who insulted her first with Inconsistency #1), and was swiftly banned. Meanwhile, Ahrimar, Incandescence, and several others were insulting the mod / questioning his authority too (Inconsistency #2).

Moreover, plenty of WORSE insults were flung at other people in the room, but those mud-slingers weren't banned. Just the one that targeted the mod. (Inconsistency #3)

The swiftness with which Petra was banned was ridiculous. In any other complaint from one user to another, there would be warnings issued at the very least. Petra received no such warning. (Inconsistency #4)

Petra is guilty of ban-evasion (by logging in with her phone, I think) but this doesn't justify her original ban at all.

People who came in after being kicked didn't much change their tune. Eventually, SSS left and the OOC continued. Nothing changed. If anyone had been paying attention, one of the three-or-so RPers trying to play at the time (Lamina) said "gtg" and logged off. RP wouldn't have continued anyway.

I disagree with this ban!

I have watches an entire room gang up on someone and tell them to go kill themselves. Call them faggots, etc. No one is ever banned. Then one comment about being a homo direct at a moderator and she is banned for a day. Which makes me wonder. When I needed a moderator to help me deal with an issue, why wasn't the person who was harassing me never even spoken too? Let alone not kicked or banned?

So then what is the difference between 'sexual assault' and 'trolling'? Trolling happens all the time with many sexual/personal assaults. But I guess that's okay.

The difference is it's wrong when it's aimed at a mod, apparently. They get special treatment.

I'm out. I'm too tired to give a hoot, and plus I wasn't stupid enough to insult the mod in the room with increasingly explicit sexual insults so I don't have anything to worry about. Good thing she has Kade to champion for her (someone who has also banned Kristina from his roleplays, lol)

Increasingly explicit? Lol. Two lines of text.*

And you don't think you're one of the people Kamikaze is referring to when she says people want her to be banned for unrelated, personal reasons? You're insane. You just brought up something both unrelated and personal. Good job. I sense butthurt.








Solum and Marz both made a point about how mods aren't cops. They're regular people in a social environment. I get it. You don't think they're obligated to be professional. Neither do I. I'm not here to debate whether or not the rules should apply to everyone, even the mods, but even in this social/informal environment the kind of behavior I/we saw out of SSS was, pardon my french, fucking bullshit. I wouldn't say it in public because apparently he can't handle being insulted in front of e-crowds, and he does -- as Solum mentioned -- weild one of the sticks around TK, but if I knew him in person I wouldn't hesitate to let him know that what he did was crap.

tl;dr version:
If mods are obligated to follow the AUP, SSS fucked up, and I'm formally complaining.
If mods aren't obligated to follow the AUP, SSS fucked up as a person, and I'm informally complaining.
Either way, bases are covered.

[Darling]

Like I said, good thing she has Kade here to champion for her.

[-=Styles=-]

No. I was implying that they needed to do a better job, not to rule with an iron fist

Better does not mean more strict.


And my two suggestions were just that, suggestions provoked by rationale irritation consistant with the disappointment involved under the procedings.

[Silent.Kamikaze]

Pretty sure Kade would be making the same statements if it had been you, or someone else that had been banned.

Good thing he 'Champions' people who get banned over nothing.

Also can I just say about my 'ban evasion' Yeah, I signed in on my phone two seconds after the ban. I wanted the log. Either way, excuse me for 'evading' a bogus ass ban that shouldn't have been dealt in the first place. If I'm seriously getting a week long, month long, fuck even perma ban for calling Six a homo and then a sexual predator that's ridiculous.

God Forbid anyone hurts his feelings again.

[Solum]

Also can I just say about my 'ban evasion' Yeah, I signed in on my phone two seconds after the ban. I wanted the log. Either way, excuse me for 'evading' a bogus ass ban that shouldn't have been dealt in the first place. If I'm seriously getting a week long, month long, fuck even perma ban for calling Six a homo and then a sexual predator that's ridiculous.

God Forbid anyone hurts his feelings again.

TLDR version

The Keep is a house, and we're all guests at a party they are throwing. Petra pissed off one of the home owners. That's the most accurate summary. You can all figure the rest out.

Edit: I also can't say SSS fucked up as a person. His treatment towards petra is the equivalent of a house guest walking up to him, in his own home, and telling him to go fuck himself. To which, he showed her the door. It is a lulzable matter. However many guests he felt like punnishing and how gravely he was offended is his prerogative.

[Kade]

No. I was implying that they needed to do a better job, not to rule with an iron fist

Better does not mean more strict.

I believe your exacts words were...

"Then cut it off at the head and burn the remainder."

Sorry if I misunderstood.