This "No OOC" nonesense.

[nodthenarb]

Ok, I have something to say. The other day, there were four of us in the Forest. Only us. Myself (Vand), Auvic, Lime, and Mattana(i think that is spelled right). We were having a nice ooc discussion, and we had decided we weren't going to rp. Right in the middle of our talk, Familiar comes in and tells us we cannot talk because it is interfering with RP. This is ridiculous. I have no problem with Familiar, and I enjoyed Rping with her. I understand she is just trying to follow the rules. But when OOC is banned period in a room where there is no RP, and no immediate plans for RP, things are getting pretty stupid.

I am all for regulating OOC. I think if there is RP going on, people should shut up. It is common courtesy. I tend to use /ignore on people who wont shut up (*GASP!* yes people, you can ignore people. Imagine that.). But saying you can't have OOC period in a IC room,even when there is no IC is going too far, and will cause more problems than it could ever solve.TK is dead compared to how it was when I lost internet connection about a year ago. PPl just lurk, with little or no good RP. these results should speak for themselves. When I left, the Arena had been made into a OOC/IC room, and it seemed to be working well. I wasn't here when it was changed, but I heard what happened. A few people decided to make a point, and wouldnt shut up while people were RPing, saying "but it is OOC now." some of the same people who would constantly complain about OOC in the first place. And so the mods make OOC banned. Good job. You have successfully awarded hypocracy. What next? If we get a bunch of people together and decided to RP in the Main Hall, and keep at it and make a Nuisance of ourselves, you going to make it a IC room and kick everyone out? You see the problem here? I'm not calling for some kind of immediate change, or expecting anyone to just give me what I want. I just think that people should think things though before giving in to a couple of annoying people to make them shut up.

So here are some facts, seperate from all the opinions:

1. Since banning OOC in IC rooms, the Arena and most the other IC rooms have died, and RP is at a low.
2. The Public opinion of this rule is that it isn't solving anything, and is just being a pain.
3. You have a freaking /ignore command. If someone won't stop OOC, stop being lazy and ignore them. I'll even show you how. /ignore [insert name here]. See how easy that was?

I'm just one person, but I felt it necissary to make a forum account and share my opinion. And on a personal note, in light of such stupidity, I will be stopping donations to the Keep. I haven't donated alot, granted, but I don't feel it would be a good thing to spend what little money I have supporting this. Sorry.

[Lugh]

[Xachariah]

I'm not going to address your opinions; as they are opinions, they're your business.

I'm going to respond, instead, to your facts. I would like to think I'm responding with more facts.

1. Since banning OOC in IC rooms, the Arena and most the other IC rooms have died, and RP is at a low.

This wouldn't happen if people weren't OOCing in IC rooms to begin with.

2. The Public opinion of this rule is that it isn't solving anything, and is just being a pain.

Public being who? The people who decided to attempt some kind of sit-down protest and fake-IC-post when asked to cease the OOC? This isn't really a fact, just a stating of other people's opinions.

Besides which, I've not seen this rule be an issue any time before, in my six years on tK.

3. You have a freaking /ignore command. If someone won't stop OOC, stop being lazy and ignore them. I'll even show you how. /ignore [insert name here]. See how easy that was?

I'm going to be a smartass and copy what you said, except changing it to fit my point.

3. You have a freaking /room-creation command. If you want to OOC, stop being lazy and make a room for it. I'll even show you how: /room [insert roomname here]. See how easy that was?

There are also two default OOC rooms, and a plethora of user-made OOC rooms.

[Familiar]

I've encouraged people to discuss this issue with me on the forums or in an OOC room to cease the arguments that arise in places like the Arena, Cafe, and Forest that I've been getting on to. I've been watching rooms more lately and, before even saying something when I come across one lines and chatter, read for any attempts for there to be an RP. I even wait a minute or two to see if an RP does start up since when I do pop in to remind that these IC default rooms aren't meant just for OOC, I tend to step on many toes and upset the 'public.'

With the access to making user created rooms to OOC, since I've seen normally a handful on during primetime evening hours and weekends - and the success of places like The Lounge - there should not be a need just to sit in a room and OOC without any intentions to begin to RP. That's not what the rooms were originally intended for.

If there's a glaring issue about the absence of people in rooms and trying to justify being in it just to talk, why not contribute to the problem and RP instead? Like, serious RP. What seems to be getting on people's nerves is there's some regulation of exactly where people can OOC - when you can just as easily hop to one designated for OOC or to create your own.

If there's a decline in the role playing community, it's moreso the members faults than the staff trying to enforce the AUP and make a more conscious effort of encouraging writing.

[MadMusician]

To respond to your facts, Xachariah...

To forbid OOC is to prevent RP. There's a reason why private rooms that don't allow lurkers or people simply OOCing don't tend to last long.

And yes, the public opinion of the rule IS that it's a pain in the ass. Sorry to tell you, but the vast majority of the users on TK don't even bother to look at the forums. As far as they're concerned, there has been no actual policy change because they haven't been informed of one.

The big thing is new people coming from other places on TK, however. They read the AUP, and their impression is "Don't OOC if there is IC going on." That is all fine and dandy, until all the sudden they start getting warnings to not OOC when there is absolutely no IC going on. And I hate to say it, but when users start getting greifed over doing something that actually isen't obnoxious...well, they won't RP.

I mean, honestly. If this policy was being enforced everywhere as equally as it should be, do you think ANY public room is going to have constant RP? Yes, there are a good amount of OOC rooms, but a good amount of users still don't go into them: They stick with the public rooms instead. If anything, if you're going to be using a policy like this, you might as well get rid of the public rooms altogether: Leave the enforcement up to the users, and call the mods only when they're doing something doushebaggy like ban evasion.

Just let me ask you: How much RP have you seen in the arena lately?

I hate to say it, but while the users are idiots, the customers are always right, and from my understanding, TK is like a buisness: It IS the users that keep it up after all. Either rewrite the AUP to state no OOC in IC rooms, or allow it when there is no IC. At this rate, the inconsistent enforcement of it is bound to piss off the 70% of the users that -don't- go to the forums.

[Furr]

Allowed zones for OOC:
OOC-Lobby
MainHall
Usermade rooms

Zones where OOC is not cool:
Anywhere else on the chat.


That's what I've primarily gone by, in my eight or so years in TK.
And that's how I think it should remain.

[Xachariah]

To forbid OOC in RP rooms is not to forbid RP, it's to forbid OOC in RP rooms. Nobody's saying 'never OOC ever,' just 'don't OOC in RP rooms.' I have literally never witnessed anyone saying 'there should never be OOC, ever,' and we wouldn't have the two OOC rooms we do have if this were the opinion of the staff.

Also, again, is this the actual public or just the people who decided to stage some kind of protest in the Arena? I find myself mystified when I attempt to recall what policy change is supposed to have happened, as well.

They wouldn't be getting told to stop the OOC if they weren't OOCing in RP rooms; if they got the wrong impression from the AUP, then perhaps a rephrase of the AUP is necessary to make it more explicit that they are not to OOC in RP rooms.

No, I don't think that, because that's unrealistic. RP will never be constant, because that's just how things work. In a perfect world, sure, maybe that would happen, but given that the majority of tK users are in the Americas or UK, there are naturally-occuring slow periods, because people need to sleep.

I have no idea why you would think removing all public rooms would solve the issue; on the one hand, hey, that's a load off the staff's shoulders. On the other hand, well, people will just make the rooms again and then people will bitch about getting banned by the user mods. As I understand it, part of the motivation behind that stunning display the other night was that some users had been banned by other users and decided that they were just going to go disobey site rules, but as I was not one of those users, I have no idea what people were thinking.

I don't go into the Arena, for the most part. I can recall two times in recent memory that I went into it, and both were the night that people decided to protest the OOC rule by breaking, or flagrantly attempting to skirt by way of faux-IC, it.

Furr's pretty much stated exactly how I've always dealt with it. Occasionally, I'll admit, I've remarked in OOC over things happening IC, but I always did try to keep it to one or two lines at most.

[MadMusician]

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[MadMusician]

You know what? Upon thinking very deeply upon it, I issue forth a challange.

Open up a private RP room, with those percise rules in place.

The catch? You can't actively get your friends to come in there to RP. It has to be people you don't know that RP in that room. AKA neutral third parties.

Edit: There will be rules to this, namely that the moderaters can't RP themselves.

And I also might donate 150 to TK if you actually pull it off.

[Xachariah]

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I have absolutely no idea what this is supposed to be. An egg hatching? A school of fish emerging from behind rocks?

As for the challenge: User-made rooms are not the issue. The issue is the default rooms, which are there for all to use. It might be due to my current undercaffeinated (as opposed to my usual state, which is 'maybe I should put some blood in with all this caffeine. ... Naaah.') state, but I fail to see how this challenge will prove anything.

Of course, it might also be that I'm focusing on the issue as I perceive it, which seems to be 'People are OOCing in the default rooms that are not the MainHall or OOC Lobby, and get mad when asked to stop, rather than doing what people have been doing for as long as I've been here - namely, making their own room and/or obeying the AUP.'

[Auvic]

I've already said what I think in bits and pieces, but I'll repeat it here for anyone who cares to read it.
Y'know, seeing as how I've got that nifty "I used to hang out and chat in the Arena" pin on my forehead.

1. Since banning OOC in IC rooms, the Arena and most the other IC rooms have died, and RP is at a low.

1. RP isn't a low - casual freeform RP is at a low. If you just wanna jump into things and play for an hour or two, you'll have a hard time with it. Oh well.
Community's been leaning in that direction for a long time, and I'll give me evidence for it soon.

2. The Public opinion of this rule is that it isn't solving anything, and is just being a pain.

Public opinion is that it's a pain. Yes. That it isn't solving anything is something that the public is going to have a difficult time deciding, given that since they're against it, it would take some god-almighty numbers to prove to them that it is, in fact, solving something.
Otherwise, y'know, subjective validation and whatnot. People'll selectively choose to see/remember only the events that support their opinion, and disregard all others. Pull out numbers, or nothing imo.
( And saying "Ew, those people that RP one-liners in the Forest/Cafe/whatever are gross and don't count as RP" isn't a valid argument )

3. You have a freaking /ignore command. If someone won't stop OOC, stop being lazy and ignore them. I'll even show you how. /ignore [insert name here]. See how easy that was?

You have an ignore command. If you're willing to point that out, what's to stop you from going and OOCing in any of the already-established OOC rooms? I mean, all you have to do is /ignore anyone that you don't want to talk/listen to, and wouldyoulookatthat, problem solved.

So far, I've heard one real argument against the no-OOC-in-RP rule:
It's killing RP.

The issue with the argument "It's killing RP" is that you can't prove that this rule is what's killed RP - I could just as easily argue that the drop in casual RP is due to a large number of older RPers away from the site / into OOC rooms / away from RP in general.
After all, there's a number of names that you don't see around the chat anymore - and specifically, if you look at the old Arena-philes, most of the old names are gone. For the most part, they've either found RP elsewhere....or they've given up RPing altogether.

Case in point: Where's Mesi? Where's Solum? Where's Mundus, Son_Goku, Piccolo, etc?
They're not there.
Can you prove to me that all these people are still around, still RPing in the Arena, and it's still as dead as you claim it to be? I doubt it.

(also posting ascii art is sort of shitposting, MM, fo srs.)

[TheMadHatter]

First of all, the picture is a face palm meme.

Secondly, we all know the rules. The problem is we're all taking note how hard the staff is cracking down on the no OOC thing. More so in the last few months then in last couple years I've been on the chat. It's frustrating the regulars a.k.a. the 'public.' However the public will bitch on the chat, but not the forums. Why? I don't know, people don't really utilize the forums but a select few. So people like myself end up speaking up for them. So once again here we are going in circles with the same people in a no-win discussion. We'll sit here and post our opinions to try and persuade someone...Who? I don't even know anymore. Hopefully someone is listening I guess, preferably Webby.

This is what I see as a problem. Places like the Arena, you know, that empty room on the bottom of your userlist. People were in there the other day talking to one another. A mod came in and started kicking. The room went back to empty. So to me, if there is no roleplay going on, why are the mods coming in and screwing with the 'public.' Especially if no one is complaining. You're just pissing people off.

Like others have said, I have no problem not oocing when there is a roleplay. When there isn't roleplay, why can't we say hello to one another? Come on now.

[MadMusician]

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I have absolutely no idea what this is supposed to be. An egg hatching? A school of fish emerging from behind rocks?

As for the challenge: User-made rooms are not the issue. The issue is the default rooms, which are there for all to use. It might be due to my current undercaffeinated (as opposed to my usual state, which is 'maybe I should put some blood in with all this caffeine. ... Naaah.') state, but I fail to see how this challenge will prove anything.

Of course, it might also be that I'm focusing on the issue as I perceive it, which seems to be 'People are OOCing in the default rooms that are not the MainHall or OOC Lobby, and get mad when asked to stop, rather than doing what people have been doing for as long as I've been here - namely, making their own room and/or obeying the AUP.'

So in other words, you're saying I'm right, but you're being indirect enough to claim you arn't. This offer remains open: Never before has MONEY been at stake over RP! Really, I would of expected the arena crowd to be getting a bone--wait, there IS no more arena crowd!

I've already said what I think in bits and pieces, but I'll repeat it here for anyone who cares to read it.
Y'know, seeing as how I've got that nifty "I used to hang out and chat in the Arena" pin on my forehead.

1. Since banning OOC in IC rooms, the Arena and most the other IC rooms have died, and RP is at a low.

1. RP isn't a low - casual freeform RP is at a low. If you just wanna jump into things and play for an hour or two, you'll have a hard time with it. Oh well.
Community's been leaning in that direction for a long time, and I'll give me evidence for it soon.

2. The Public opinion of this rule is that it isn't solving anything, and is just being a pain.

Public opinion is that it's a pain. Yes. That it isn't solving anything is something that the public is going to have a difficult time deciding, given that since they're against it, it would take some god-almighty numbers to prove to them that it is, in fact, solving something.
Otherwise, y'know, subjective validation and whatnot. People'll selectively choose to see/remember only the events that support their opinion, and disregard all others. Pull out numbers, or nothing imo.
( And saying "Ew, those people that RP one-liners in the Forest/Cafe/whatever are gross and don't count as RP" isn't a valid argument )

3. You have a freaking /ignore command. If someone won't stop OOC, stop being lazy and ignore them. I'll even show you how. /ignore [insert name here]. See how easy that was?

You have an ignore command. If you're willing to point that out, what's to stop you from going and OOCing in any of the already-established OOC rooms? I mean, all you have to do is /ignore anyone that you don't want to talk/listen to, and wouldyoulookatthat, problem solved.

So far, I've heard one real argument against the no-OOC-in-RP rule:
It's killing RP.

The issue with the argument "It's killing RP" is that you can't prove that this rule is what's killed RP - I could just as easily argue that the drop in casual RP is due to a large number of older RPers away from the site / into OOC rooms / away from RP in general.
After all, there's a number of names that you don't see around the chat anymore - and specifically, if you look at the old Arena-philes, most of the old names are gone. For the most part, they've either found RP elsewhere....or they've given up RPing altogether.

Case in point: Where's Mesi? Where's Solum? Where's Mundus, Son_Goku, Piccolo, etc?
They're not there.
Can you prove to me that all these people are still around, still RPing in the Arena, and it's still as dead as you claim it to be? I doubt it.

(also posting ascii art is sort of shitposting, MM, fo srs.)

Well yeah. If I were them, I would of jumped ship too. After all, there are plenty of more clients out there. Granted, I actually care about TK enough to actually say it, instead of just finding other places to RP. Say what you will, do what you will, but the problem still remains, and if you're eyes are being blinded by someone else's E-peen, well, you have other issues, like being able to form your own opinion. There's examples over what works and what dosen't work all over the place. Eventually, people will just go to CC.

First of all, the picture is a face palm meme.

Secondly, we all know the rules. The problem is we're all taking note how hard the staff is cracking down on the no OOC thing. More so in the last few months then in last couple years I've been on the chat. It's frustrating the regulars a.k.a. the 'public.' However the public will bitch on the chat, but not the forums. Why? I don't know, people don't really utilize the forums but a select few. So people like myself end up speaking up for them. So once again here we are going in circles with the same people in a no-win discussion. We'll sit here and post our opinions to try and persuade someone...Who? I don't even know anymore. Hopefully someone is listening I guess, preferably Webby.

This is what I see as a problem. Places like the Arena, you know, that empty room on the bottom of your userlist. People were in there the other day talking to one another. A mod came in and started kicking. The room went back to empty. So to me, if there is no roleplay going on, why are the mods coming in and screwing with the 'public.' Especially if no one is complaining. You're just pissing people off.

Like others have said, I have no problem not oocing when there is a roleplay. When there isn't roleplay, why can't we say hello to one another? Come on now.

And that's from an actual third party.

The fact that the policy isen't being persistently enforced is a part of the issue. But just to further my point, I say we -help- them enforce their policy! Let's report ALL instences of OOCing in public RP rooms, and see what the state of those rooms are after two weeks! I'll start now!

[Xachariah]

So in other words, you're saying I'm right, but you're being indirect enough to claim you arn't. This offer remains open: Never before has MONEY been at stake over RP! Really, I would of expected the arena crowd to be getting a bone--wait, there IS no more arena crowd!

Don't start putting words in my mouth. Fingertips. Whatever. If I'm going to say you're right, I'm going to say you're right - if I'm not going to say you're right, I'm not going to. I'm far less subtle than you appear to think.

Short version: What I said is what I meant, and not a damn thing else.

[Auvic]

( Hatter isn't really a neutral third party, MM, in case you've never read anything on the forums related to the politika in the past five months. )

Also, as to your challenge, MM:

Open up a private RP room, with those percise rules in place.
The catch? You can't actively get your friends to come in there to RP. It has to be people you don't know that RP in that room. AKA neutral third parties.

Isn't that pretty much the basis for every private ( read: closed setting ) RP ever?
Has been done, is happening now, and will continue to happen.

Case in point: The Aeradia RP. I don't know the people that started it, I do know some of the people that joined, and even once I realized that I knew some fo the people that were already in it when I started looking deeper into the RP, I'd already gone that far on my own without knowing I already had acquaintances there.
( I don't see what your point is. Also, will you now donate $150 to the server because I've just proved it works, using myself as a premier example, as all the people arguing against the anti-OOC rule seem so wont to do? I'm sure Webby could use the funds. )

Well yeah. If I were them, I would of jumped ship too. After all, there are plenty of more clients out there. Granted, I actually care about TK enough to actually say it, instead of just finding other places to RP. Say what you will, do what you will, but the problem still remains, and if you're eyes are being blinded by someone else's E-peen, well, you have other issues, like being able to form your own opinion. There's examples over what works and what dosen't work all over the place. Eventually, people will just go to CC.

> I never actually said why people left, just that they did.
You're inferring reasons I never stated, which simply goes to show that there's obviously reasons people would leave aside from this rule, which detracts from the strength of the "The anti-OOC rule is killing RP" argument. Just so you know.
>"if you're eyes are being blinded by someone else's E-peen"
Being able to competently follow stated rules and not make a huge fuss over a website that people so often claim "is no big deal" is somehow "blinded by someone else's e-peen", and somehow that relates to an inability to form my own opinion.
Non sequiturs? I think you drowning me in them.
>"Eventually, people will just go to CC."
And generally speaking, the people that do come right back. If you really wanted to go to CC, you could have just as easily made your own user-made room on tK and saved yourself the trouble of making a new login on another site.
Because, y'know, it's preeeeeetty much the same deal.

The fact that the policy isen't being persistently enforced is a part of the issue. But just to further my point, I say we -help- them enforce their policy! Let's report ALL instences of OOCing in public RP rooms, and see what the state of those rooms are after two weeks! I'll start now!

I'm pretty sure that, given what Familiar said, she's attempting to enforce things in as persistent a manner as she can. She can't really be held responsible for how things were done before she came, could she? That's just silly.
And - sure. By all means, help them enforce their policy. If I cared enough to make a point of it, I would.

Except that I don't. I don't have a problem with following rules ( however arbitrary they may be ) when I join groups that I didn't help create. Especially ones on the intershiz.

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[TheMadHatter]

I actually do hope I can be somewhat of a neutral, unbiased opinion at times. I do try to look back and understand everyone's point of view. I hope none of you feel that I just fight for the sake of fighting. If it's even fighting, we're just discussing and throwing out our opinions. I wouldn't write at all if I didn't care and I certainly don't mean to offend anyone. So let me back up here and try this again.

I do understand that it is a rule and should be respected. I know being on the mod staff is probably a bitch and they get a lot of shit for it. They're doing nothing more than trying to help the keep and enforce the rules. I don't want to make things harder for them and I do follow the rules. I've never been any sort of troublemaker on the keep and I never will cause any issues involving the AUP.

With that said, I do also see the other side. I get what Mad Musician and nodthenarb are trying to say. I've spoken to a few people in the chat that express that they're upset with situations like this, so I will try to explain maybe why they feel that way. It's because they too have done nothing wrong. We're all adults and we come to the keep between going to school and work for fun as a hobby. Either to just roleplay or talk with friends that have been on the keep forever. Most of us are regulars for years, and that is pretty impressive for a chatroom. To actually know one another by first name like this, I have never seen anything like it. So even if we might not all get along or respect one another, we all appreciate a good roleplay and to stop ooc when one is in process. Which nine times out of ten it happens, everyone does quiet down without the moderators having to get involved.

Not to mention ooc is necessary sometimes. Usually the players have to discuss the ic situations and themes, or even set up new roleplays. I think the communication ooc is extremely important. I wouldn't have been able to set up half of my own roleplays and get everyone involved, if I didn't meet them ooc first.

With that all said, the same people that roleplay, get involved, donate, etc to get yelled at for something so silly, they feel is as though they're being talked down to. If the public is upset, they're going to leave. The site will decline with people all together and people will stop donating. That is only screwing over Webby and so we should consider is it really worth pissing people off? If they're not harming anything or disrupting roleplay, why not just leave them be. We all ooc in rp rooms, that can't be avoided. Sometimes it's necessary. Maybe the mods just really need to pick and choose what is worth kicking people over and what can slide.

I also heard that the ombudsmen are redoing the AUP? Maybe it's a rule that should be looked at. Possibly word it that OOC should be at a minimal and should never disrupt a roleplay? I think we can all settle on something together. It would also give the moderators a break and not have them feel like they have to constantly be focused on the Arena or Forest to kick people if there is a discussion in progress and no rp.

[Xachariah]

Revisions are in the works. The current situations will be taken into account. It will go from us to the staff, and then the public can see it after they've had a chance to critique it.

I expect it'll be some manner of poll for approval, as well.

[Vivi]

Just a quick note: I don't think OOC enforcement and RP quality/quantity have any direct relationship, as long ago, if anyone here has lasted long enough to recall, enforcement was MUCH more strict and there was  a lot more rp in default/public rooms then there is anymore.

[Xachariah]

Just a quick note: I don't think OOC enforcement and RP quality/quantity have any direct relationship, as long ago, if anyone here has lasted long enough to recall, enforcement was MUCH more strict and there was  a lot more rp in default/public rooms then there is anymore.

That's true, now that I think about it. Back when you could get kicked for lurking, you could dive in anywhere and have a good chance of finding RP, and if you OOC'd, you got kicked and had to hope the server wasn't full.

[Silent.Kamikaze]

To dear Disgruntled user,
The rules aren't going to change. There are a thousand threads already arguing this topic, and no matter how many great, well written, well explained points both sides pull out of their ass, things will stay as they are. So lets not waste time writing all these posts that are tl;dr, shall we? Get over it. Move to another room.

[MadMusician]

Mmm, yeah, I wasen't around for those days, but I can tell you that the rules were likely consistently enforced.

Key word: Consistently.

Open up a private RP room, with those percise rules in place.
The catch? You can't actively get your friends to come in there to RP. It has to be people you don't know that RP in that room. AKA neutral third parties.

Isn't that pretty much the basis for every private ( read: closed setting ) RP ever?
Has been done, is happening now, and will continue to happen.

Case in point: The Aeradia RP. I don't know the people that started it, I do know some of the people that joined, and even once I realized that I knew some fo the people that were already in it when I started looking deeper into the RP, I'd already gone that far on my own without knowing I already had acquaintances there.
( I don't see what your point is. Also, will you now donate $150 to the server because I've just proved it works, using myself as a premier example, as all the people arguing against the anti-OOC rule seem so wont to do? I'm sure Webby could use the funds. )

This includes the no OOC when there's no RP going on, Auvic. Considering that the room mods allow OOC when there's no OOC, it's already very much a invalid room for you to try to point out. I will attribute your mistake to ignorence rather than stupidity.

My challange still stands.

[Furr]

I have no idea why you would think removing all public rooms would solve the issue; on the one hand, hey, that's a load off the staff's shoulders. On the other hand, well, people will just make the rooms again and then people will bitch about getting banned by the user mods. As I understand it, part of the motivation behind that stunning display the other night was that some users had been banned by other users and decided that they were just going to go disobey site rules, but as I was not one of those users, I have no idea what people were thinking.

Wait, what happened?

Edit: More commentations, read below

So, mods are actually enforcing the previous "no OOC in IC rooms" rules now?
ABOUT FRIGGIN' TIME! Seriously. When I first started on TK, I saw RP pretty much everywhere. Be it silly no-strings goofing around, or actually serious storylines unfolding.. It happened, every time, every day. The MH had the OOC, and whenever people started rampantly OOC-ing in the IC rooms, they were punished for it.
But for some reason I can't fathom, that kinda stopped after a while, and people started to slowly OOC more and more in the IC rooms. Because the public did that more and more and the staff did less and less about it, it became commonplace to the point where OOC sometimes outweighted the IC by a lot.
Be as it may, I have nothing against the quick "Hey, yo [username], what up, holmes?" and a reply from said user. But keep it at that. Further talks goes to whispers. Keep it short, keep it simple, keep it clean.

So, with fresh staff actually enforcing the No OOC rules, the public who has previously thought it acceptable finds themselves breaking rules. And they cry out for help, but I shall look down upon them and I shall whisper... "No..."
For they reap what they have sown. Anyhow, as Vivi stated, the rules were far more enforced back in the days. Do we need more staff, maybe? Idunno. Maybe we do. Maybe we don't.

Bear in mind, this is for the default rooms only. I really can't give a rats ass about all the usermade rooms. If the mods there say OOC is ok, it's ok. If not, it's not cool, and you get a /kick or /ban from said usermade room.

[1337]

I've never had an issue with this rule/problem.


Want to know my secret?

I ooc in the lounge.

and RP in RP designated rooms.


Wanna' be cool like me? OOC in rooms for OOC. and RP in rooms for RP.


This is such a ****ing simple issue it's almost retarded. But the users can't do anything they're asked. The tK user base is naturally uncooperative. SO instead of just following the rules they all bitch and complain about what? WHAT are you even complaining about?

STOP OOC'ING IN IC ROOMS

[Lugh]

And on a personal note, in light of such stupidity, I will be stopping donations to the Keep. I haven't donated alot, granted, but I don't feel it would be a good thing to spend what little money I have supporting this. Sorry.

By the way, threatening not to donate unless you get your own way? Extremely childish.

[Auvic]

This includes the no OOC when there's no RP going on, Auvic. Considering that the room mods allow OOC when there's no OOC, it's already very much a invalid room for you to try to point out. I will attribute your mistake to ignorence rather than stupidity.

My challange still stands.

Then I'll point at the Children of the Gods or whatever RPs they are at the bottom of the room listings that create RP_OOC rooms in order to separate their OOC from their IC rooms.
Best part is, all of those rooms are user-made.

I'm still not 100% sure what your issue is, or what you're trying to prove, MM.
Also, your passive-aggressiveness seems a bit on the heavy side, might wanna chill out just a little.
y u so mad srsly?

And, uh - do I need to pick every bit of your first post apart, or do you have any intention of responding to anything that doesn't pertain to your arbitrary challenge that doesn't really probe anything at all?