Cyber and Solicitation for.

[Kade]

This is not a very serious thread. There's no agenda here. Nothing political. Not trying to effectuate any kind of change, or propose a policy, or whatever. So with that said...

     I just remembered a conversation I had not too-too long ago about the "Orientation" line in my /whois Kade profile.  I learned that it is common belief on TK that people with an "orientation" (homo, hetero, bi, etc) listed in their profile only provide that information in order to cyber.  Someone also claimed that way back in the early days of TK there was a big controversy over -- if I'm remembering correctly -- whether or not "orientation" should be allowed in profiles.

     All of this was news to me at the time, but the discussion overall was pretty interesting (imo).  Everyone had an opinion on cyber, on "orientation", on solicitation, etc, and it was neat to see everyone's views and the reasoning for those views out in the open.

The point of this thread is to start another civil discussion.

What do you think about "slave market" rooms? Are they mostly for cyber? Can they host decent RP? Is slave/master RP even respectable at all?
How do you feel about "orientation" being listed in one's profile?  
How risque can a picture be before it's "just a cyberbunny"? What makes a cyberbunny?
How much cyber goes on within TK? Is it too much? Should anyone care?
How often do girls get whispered for cyber? How annoying is it?
What do you think about people who say they cyber "for storyline"?
What do you think about furries?

I bet we're all morbidly curious of the answers to these questions and more.
Or maybe we're not, and I'm just desensitized to weird/taboo conversations.
Don't be afraid to ask your own questions, too. And do keep it civil.

[Bane]

What do you think about "slave market" rooms? Are they mostly for cyber? Can they host decent RP? Is slave/master RP even respectable at all?

yes. yes. can be, assuming any tale of servitude can be done well in writing.

How do you feel about "orientation" being listed in one's profile?  

don't care particularly. Just toss it into the general pile of "useless stuff that doesn't actually need to be in a profile."

How risque can a picture be before it's "just a cyberbunny"? What makes a cyberbunny?

clearly suggestive and/or scantily clad, usually. A decent description might help justify it as being "what fit the character best" though.

How much cyber goes on within TK? Is it too much? Should anyone care?

dunno. maybe. Do we claim to cater to any particular age/maturity level? I forgot. If you're going for something restricted, I'd suppose some concern would be warranted. I don't see why private rooms should be considered private from moderators or administrators.

How often do girls get whispered for cyber? How annoying is it?

Annoyingly often, seems like. although glenn aura must constitute like what, a quarter of them?

What do you think about people who say they cyber "for storyline"?

If it's part of the story and the details are actually potentially relevant to the characters or something that may happen, 'kay. If it's for some player gratification I'un think it's really a big deal either though. Their preference. Human sexuality will find some way to express itself.

What do you think about furries?

animal people in general are like... saiyans. Generally, being what they are, they're played poorly and have a sort of stigma, although they don't have to be that way. Good writing can make a lot of things viable.

[1337]

What do you think about "slave market" rooms? Are they mostly for cyber? Can they host decent RP? Is slave/master RP even respectable at all?

I think they're stupid. Mostly sexually oriented and if there not... who would want to RP something with that being the basic premise? I can understand a character being a slave as a part of a grander scheme/plot of things. But otherwise... that's just boring/sexually charged.

How do you feel about "orientation" being listed in one's profile?

The only time I find "orientation" inappropriate in a profile is when it's for an UNDERAGED character. However, for MOST characters it's simply a baseball stat. It's usually pretty harmless and helps indicate something else other than cyber. In-character relationships. They happen, and they don't have to have anything to do with e-sex. Normally this isn't the case but it's definitely a possibility.

How risque can a picture be before it's "just a cyberbunny"? What makes a cyberbunny?

It depends on the player and the profile usually. I take it on a case-to-case basis. Most people with "risque" pictures are cheap mary-sue players with nothing real to offer in terms of RP so I just avoid them. I also look at the context of the RP and put my own judgement in it. If I find it more "artistic" rather than "smutty" then I'm more inclined to precieve said person as a legitimate roleplayer than just some smutty n00b.

How much cyber goes on within TK? Is it too much? Should anyone care?

I have no idea. I've cybered like ONCE on tK and that ended with me writing up a multi-paragraph post about shape shifting into a tentacle monster and disemboweling the two people I was "cybering" with. (I have logs. It was hilarious.)

How often do girls get whispered for cyber? How annoying is it?

Dunno. I'd imagine it's obnoxious.

What do you think about people who say they cyber "for storyline"?

It can be done tastefully, but most people probably just say that to save face. Sexual themes can be introduced respectfully into a private RP to help spice up the plot (Sex & Violence go hand and hand.) But eh... Not my cup of tea.

What do you think about furries?

I hate most of them. They're not all bad, but there are a lot of mary-sue players out there that give furries a bad rep. "Oh i'm a fox demon that controls fire when i'm mad and ice when i'm sad". Or some lame shit like that. I hate those types, and I feel WILLINGLY associating yourself with that type of crowd, even if you're not retarded (ie. calling yourself a furrie) shows bad taste.




New Point

Are people who RP children creepy pedophiles?

Also. It creeps me the fuck out when people role play as children. Anything below 16 sort of creeps me out. I'll overlook down to 13. But seriously. There are people out there RP'ing as 5 year olds. I just don't see the point. It skeeves me out. It's even worse when people whom are RP'ing toddlers list their orientation in their profile. Really? Unnecessary, completely.

and that's what I think.

[Moondog]

I essentially echo everything Bane said.

[Inquisitor]

Why is this a thread

[Auvic]

What do you think about "slave market" rooms? Are they mostly for cyber? Can they host decent RP? Is slave/master RP even respectable at all?

Slave Market rooms are rooms just like any other.
Mostly for cyber? Probably.
Can they host decent RP? Sure.
Slave/master RP respectable at all? Sure.

How do you feel about "orientation" being listed in one's profile?

Unnecessary, but so are most things in profiles.

How risque can a picture be before it's "just a cyberbunny"? What makes a cyberbunny?

Depends on how quick you are to judge a profile by its picture only.
What makes a cyberbunny? Someone who is only on to cyber and/or one whose RPs revolve around sex, for the most part.

How much cyber goes on within TK? Is it too much? Should anyone care?

Probably lots.
Not really?
Why would anyone care? It's like measuring e-peens, but in a different fashion.

How often do girls get whispered for cyber? How annoying is it?

I think it has something to do with the profile picture. Pretty sure girls that don't have a profile picture get whispered less, but it's a vague sort of estimation.
I hear it's awkward/irritating at best, and downright creepy further down the scale.

What do you think about people who say they cyber "for storyline"?

Can be done, sure. May honestly be even necessary in specific cases, or else risk failing to adhere to character.

What do you think about furries?

Depends on the furry. I classify humanoids that maintain animal form for a majority/all the time as furries, which tends to exclude most weres, etc. A character's a character, for the most part. Can be tastefully done, can be terribly done.

Are people who RP children creepy pedophiles?

Blanket judgment = bad.
I've RPed with some IC children, no big issue there. I can't bring myself to RP with toddlers, mostly because it feels weird and partially because it wouldn't ever really fit ICly. ( listing orientation for toddlers is pretty gross. )
That being said, I might be a little less bothered by people RPing children/toddlers in general because I know ageplay, though uncommon, does exist, and I give 'em the benefit of the doubt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ageplay <- in case you've never heard of it before. Possibly legit, but since I don't interact with them, I'll never really know.

[Familiar]

I caught Auvic in a slave room the other day. True story.

[Moondog]

I caught Auvic in a slave room the other day. True story.

Yeah.

He looked so fetching in that pink boa.

[Crysta]

I don't recall getting whispered for cybering, even when I'm playing a female character. I don't think even Glenn Aura has noticed me.

My boyfriend, on the other hand, has been. 8|

[Pitch]

Okay, lemme do this list style.

<b>What do you think about "slave market" rooms? Are they mostly for cyber? Can they host decent RP? Is slave/master RP even respectable at all? </b>

Well, I think the slave rooms -are- a cyber bunny breeding zone. But I've also known people who played slaves in the traditional sense and not, well, <b>Gimps.</b> But they are few and far between. In the spirit of freewill within the bounds of the AUP, I can not like it- but let them do it as long as the wangs dont come out in public chat. It, to me, is like seeing a boil on someone's ass. Gross, but it's not affecting me. And no matter what, the slave markets have always been disturbingly popular.

<b>How do you feel about "orientation" being listed in one's profile?  </b>

I actually wonder about how why this isn't allowed. Yes, some people who cyber list orientation, but they go on about their kinks, breast size, etc. I could go on. Listing orientation shouldnt matter to me, in fact I think disallowing it pinches my progressive gland something fierce. (Though I know its not meant as a slight against those not so heteronormative in any way.) Still, if I wrote profiles still I might mention the orientation. And sometimes if you play female characters it's a deterrent from white knights or people like Glenn Aura. When someone lists the orientation along with height, weight, eye color etc? That should be allowed. I don't see how that has worked as a preventative measure at all for TK, by the way. I get the 'why', but I dont think it's fixed anything.

<b>How risque can a picture be before it's "just a cyberbunny"? What makes a cyberbunny?</b>

1. This is actually a very relevant question to me. The first part, anyway. As, some of you may know I like to draw pictures of nice looking ladies. I'm an illustrator raised on American, Korean, South American and Japanese comics. I love drawing T&A. I love drawing bodies. The body in its many forms is just so awesome to pencil to me, and if you've seen my work...some of my 'fashion design' for the female characters can be somewhat suggestive. It's never meant to get the drool rolling out of other players mouths. (More meant to get it rolling out of MINE because  its what -I- like to see and doodle) but I still do it without any nipples or actual genitals coming out. However, there is a fine line between suggestive and vulgar. I'd say that's the difference between for example my new digital painting of Khooey with gratuitous cleavage and the person in the slave market with some stock ecchi picture of a girl in stocks or a dog collar and what have you. There's suggestive, then raunchy. Erotic and then vulgar. But that can apply to so many situations.

<b>How much cyber goes on within TK? Is it too much? Should anyone care?</b>

I don't think we should care as long as the cyberbunnies dont solicit it in that creepy way that they do. I'm surely not the only one who knows about people like Glenn Aura, Sasuke Uchiha and Icefyre. If you have played a female character...you're aware. Does "Wanna play a giantess" ring a bell?

<b>How often do girls get whispered for cyber? How annoying is it?</b>

Every goddamned day. See above for how annoying it is.

<b>What do you think about people who say they cyber "for storyline"? </b>

No issue with that at all. It's really a moral question isn't it?

<b>What do you think about furries? </b>


1/4th are cool. The rest need a neo-holocaust to happen for my well being.

EDIT. I dont feel like fixing my tags. Rough night. ROUGH.

EDIT 2: People who play sexy children: creepy. People who just play children, meh.

[Brielle]

I get odd messages on my OOC profile more than my IC ones. The strangest being something like "*grabs your pretty red hair and smells it, starts humping madly*"

My hair isn't even red. :<

As for the other points which I am not going to list out, I don't really mind how other people RP, unless it's with someone underaged, or someone pretending to be underaged. Since it's the internet and it's hard to tell who is who, I tend to gloss over sexy scenes.

However, Auvic and I RP as a slave and master daily. I'll let yall decide who played what character.

[SilverStreak]

How often do girls get whispered for cyber? How annoying is it?

Tonight at 11, our news team goes under cover.

We pose as a 14 year old demon catgirl vampire with "the power to love anyone..." and disproportionately large tits.

[Moondog]

nyan

[Auvic]

However, Auvic and I RP as a slave and master daily. I'll let yall decide who played what character.

Oh, was that what we were doing? ...Huh.

[Kade]

Somewhat along the same line of creepiness as people RPing as children-- RPing as an animal.

When I first came to TK, someone wanted their character -- a dog/wolf thing -- to become my character's familiar. It sounded cool in theory, like... the dog would make a neat NPC, but I just don't see why someone would want to spend hours and hours RPing a creature like that.  Not that I hate dogs/pets/whatever, but I just don't see much... "story" to be made around a dog, no progession, no... substance. I don't know. It's hard to put into words, but it just came off a bit weird that this random person wanted to RP as a "faithful animal companion" to my character.

I kindly refused. Maybe I dodged someone trying to get some bestiality cyber, or maybe I just saved some time between posts by excluding a character that would be better off NPC'd with a few lines here and there.

Also, as an afterthought, I don't think a more sentient familiar would be as creepy... like a dragon maybe. At least with animals that can speak, they're able to express themselves beyond ear-perking, sniffing things, whining, barking, defacating, and snarling.

[Auvic]

Coming from someone who has, in fact, RPed an animal familiar ( albeit one that didn't communicate with humans and very pointedly resisted mental telepathy of any sort ) I don't see any problems with RPing animals at all. The story you make of it comes from your ability to see the character that you're playing as something other than the "main character" of a story, which is something I seem to do regardless of the race of my character, honestly.

That being said, I've never offered to be anyone's familiar whom I wasn't already well-acquainted with to begin with.

I think this one, at least, just has more to do with personal RPing style than anything else.

[Kade]

I feel you, Auvic. I have characters like that too. I call them "support characters," as they exist mostly to make other people look epic / enable their stories / etc. but I still don't really see the appeal of playing... an animal. We're just different, I guess.

Also, is it just me, or do most closed RPs feel like cyberfarms?

[MadMusician]

No, only some closed RPs feel like cyberfarms. Some of them are closed because they really do have too many damn people in at that moment.

[Auvic]

And some of them are closed because they like keeping the setting to a select group of people >_>
Case in point: The SundayNightD&D group. Cyberfarm wat.

Also, eh. Different strokes, etc.

[Kade]

Err, sorry. I must be getting my terminology wrong. I mean... uh... "not freeform, usermade room RP."

Edit: Let me elaborate. I've got a lot of friends that join RPs like "Royal Court" if anyone remembers that one, and much of the time I catch them complaining about how all anyone wants to do in those RPs is chase tail and cyber. There's obviously going to be exceptions, but has anyone else noticed the prevalence of this?

[MadMusician]

So all D&D games are cyberfarms now? Got'ya.

[1337]

I have no idea. I've cybered like ONCE on tK and that ended with me writing up a multi-paragraph post about shape shifting into a tentacle monster and disemboweling the two people I was "cybering" with. (I have logs. It was hilarious.)

I remember that! We DID used to be friends once. I couldn't remember on what terms we were till that.

Good times.

[Atheism]

I clicked this thread thinking it was about Petra...

...Thankfully, it wasn't.