Should I start a modless chat?

[Web Janitor]

Query.

[Familiar]

I plead the fifth.

[KitDreamer]

I can't see what harm it would do.

[SnoobieSnooch]

I think it would be pointless to open up yet another chat that will be hardly used. Can't we just point people towards IronCity, or something?

Edit: IronCity can be Austrailia. We'll put our convicts there and let them fight between themselves and fend off giant spiders.

[Pitch]

Wouldnt do any good, IMHO. You'll just get people refusing to go there and nothing much would change.

And yes, it would probably go unused.

[KitDreamer]

I think it would be pointless to open up yet another chat that will be hardly used. Can't we just point people towards IronCity, or something?

Edit: IronCity can be Austrailia. We'll put our convicts there and let them fight between themselves and fend off giant spiders.

I laughed my arse off at that.

[Familiar]

I think it would be pointless to open up yet another chat that will be hardly used. Can't we just point people towards IronCity, or something?

Edit: IronCity can be Austrailia. We'll put our convicts there and let them fight between themselves and fend off giant spiders.

Not to mention all the crocodiles since Steve's death.

[Inquisitor]

Unfortunately, no offshoot site has ever gained any sort of significant community, so I'd think this would be a pretty fruitless endeavor.

Edit: You also need some form of moderator if you want to keep the chat from becoming infested with weirdos and what not I'd figure, yes?

[Kade]

It wouldn't be used, Web~J, but it'd be nice to have around in case something e-socially apocalyptic happens to TK I guess.

And yeah Inquis, I bet you'd need one or two, but for a "modless" chat I imagine it would be limited to purely custodial work.

Edit: Or mostly custodial. Booting spammers, hackers, obvious pedophiles, I dunno.

[Devin`Asures]

I think it would be pointless to open up yet another chat that will be hardly used. Can't we just point people towards IronCity, or something?

Edit: IronCity can be Austrailia. We'll put our convicts there and let them fight between themselves and fend off giant spiders.

Not to mention all the crocodiles since Steve's death.

Yeah, no kidding. I had to wrestle one in my bathroom the other day.

People will complain if there are mods or if there are no mods. I don't think making a modless chat will help anything (I wasn't even aware of a problem. Too busy picking up the slack for Steve).
It'd be just another empty chat.

[Pink]

Why not?

It can't hurt to run a one month trial just to see what happens.

[Xachariah]

IronCity is effectively modless. Could also use some people to bugtest it, couldn't it?

[SilverStreak]

<nostalgia>

Years ago, before I was on TK, I spent all of my time on Yahoo.

No mods, No default rooms, No official code of conduct (other than Yahoo's legal mumbo jumbo). Hundreds of RPers.
You had no means of kicking anybody out, ever, which meant your only weapon was the high-road, using /ignore. Or, more often than not, you simply rolled with whatever you were dealt, and just let the vampire demon catgirl drop in on your Secret Agent RP, or whatever. So long as you could write well, you were given a chance.

It was glorious.

</nostalgia>

[Kade]

<nostalgia>

Years ago, before I was on TK, I spent all of my time on Yahoo.

No mods, No default rooms, No official code of conduct (other than Yahoo's legal mumbo jumbo). Hundreds of RPers.
You had no means of kicking anybody out, ever, which meant your only weapon was the high-road, using /ignore. Or, more often than not, you simply rolled with whatever you were dealt, and just let the vampire demon catgirl drop in on your Secret Agent RP, or whatever. So long as you could write well, you were given a chance.

It was glorious.

</nostalgia>

If this was facebook, I'd 'like' this.

[SilverStreak]

<nostalgia>

Years ago, before I was on TK, I spent all of my time on Yahoo.

No mods, No default rooms, No official code of conduct (other than Yahoo's legal mumbo jumbo). Hundreds of RPers.
You had no means of kicking anybody out, ever, which meant your only weapon was the high-road, using /ignore. Or, more often than not, you simply rolled with whatever you were dealt, and just let the vampire demon catgirl drop in on your Secret Agent RP, or whatever. So long as you could write well, you were given a chance.

It was glorious.

</nostalgia>

If this was facebook, I'd 'like' this.

It's really a shame, actually. There were hundreds of RPers, dozens upon dozens of individual RPs ... but being as huge as Yahoo was, a lot of other users took advantage of this 'free domain' sort of environment, and used the chats for illicit activities that eventually led to them being shut down completely (i.e. swapping kiddie porn, masturbating on cam for kids, etc. etc.)

Also, I guess I lied a little. Later on, people figured out how to make 'booting' software that could take advantage of a few of Yahoo's technical loopholes and kick people off their service.

Usage of this kind of software was highly frowned upon, but it did exist for 'worst-case scenario' sort of situations. Besides, as the prevalence for those grew, other software developers made software specifically designed to block these sorts of attacks, so the booters were rendered moot again, lol.

It really didn't matter though. There was so much RP, and so many users, that if someone came in once to bother you, there was a very slim possibility you'd ever see him/her again, unless you were specifically targetted for some odd reason (i.e. very little inter-personal drama, and very few real "cliques"); you could literally fade into anonymity at any moment of your choosing, at least that's my recollection of how things were. I can't always tell when I'm wearing my rose-tinted glasses.

Best I can do now is sigh, and go "those were the days."

[Pink]

You're being really nostalgic, Silver. I remember those days---I also remember all of the porn, kiddy diddlin' and general insanity. There's a reason why MSN and Yahoo had a lot of problems or axed their chats at some point.


AOL's ToS was a little better. But still, a lot of kiddie diddlin'. But on the internet, it's pretty hard to avoid. People will always find loopholes.

[Pink]

There was a lot of RP because it was YAHOO. Yahoo was a multi-functioning, massively frequented hub/giant on the internet. I don't think it's fair to say that tK would flourish in the same way.

[Familiar]

I recall RP'ng in the Yahoo groups on the site - not so much in the chatrooms. Always stuck to the web based rooms that had moderators.

[SilverStreak]

There was a lot of RP because it was YAHOO. Yahoo was a multi-functioning, massively frequented hub/giant on the internet. I don't think it's fair to say that tK would flourish in the same way.

I wasn't trying to make a direct apples to apples comparison. I'm also not really advocating one way or the other.

More or less, I was reminiscing, and pointing out that completely unmoderated envrionments can work beautifully if there's a large user base to support it.

I'd be interested in seeing TK's take on it. This would be very interesting if folks could take it upon themselves to drop their usual usernames and try to start anew, casting aside personal differences, drama, or whatever.

[Pink]

We'd need a large user base to start out with.

[1337]

lol battle.net

[Auvic]

I'd be interested in seeing TK's take on it. This would be very interesting if folks could take it upon themselves to drop their usual usernames and try to start anew, casting aside personal differences, drama, or whatever.

More often than not, people can tell each other apart (especially if they've known each other for any real period of time) regardless of the name that someone happens to be going by.
Not that this little quality of recognition prevents people from dropping drama/differences/whatever, but it just doesn't have much to do with people's e-drama or anything else.

It really didn't matter though. There was so much RP, and so many users, that if someone came in once to bother you, there was a very slim possibility you'd ever see him/her again, unless you were specifically targetted for some odd reason (i.e. very little inter-personal drama, and very few real "cliques"); you could literally fade into anonymity at any moment of your choosing, at least that's my recollection of how things were. I can't always tell when I'm wearing my rose-tinted glasses.

Goes with

There was a lot of RP because it was YAHOO. Yahoo was a multi-functioning, massively frequented hub/giant on the internet.

and

We'd need a large user base to start out with.

Because, honestly, s'far as I can tell from experience, groups work like this:
A small group where everyone knows everyone rather well (think 15-20 tops) can function without a de facto leader.
A larger group will require a leader, simply because people will start devolving into little mini-cliques of their own, because that's just what people do. The leader's there to try and pull things together and keep the cliques from being too disruptive. (hi mods)
Let the group size balloon to the point at which there's anonymity virtually everywhere, and you don't really need mods because the potential for cliques to form has essentially become nil. (I think that's how it works, at least.)

tl;dr:
Modless chat? Sure, if chat size is going to be hard-limited to something like 15 or 20 at any given time.
Otherwise eehhh, probably not.
(also wouldn't that just be Iron City/Haven if you didn't try and shift a larger portion of tK's population?)

[Dr. Javi]

I feel like one has enough liberties in tK.

I pretty much do whatever I want, which leads me to believe that tK's rules are fairly lax.

[Familiar]

Javi also likes to play the race card. And tits.

[Kade]

lol battle.net

No 1337. D: This would take an entire thread to discuss. Do not!