GOD DAMNIT TK

[1337]

16:15:32 [Yoshimitsu] Time… The concept of time had changed drastically ever since… well, there has been changes, that’s all that really matters. Locomotion had grown different too. It was like fatigue didn’t exist anymore. Getting tired was a thing of the past. The long forgotten past. The senses had become different as well, everything was magnified tenfold. For example, he could hear whispers carried along the wind. He could see intricate details within the dark tunnel of that foreboding entrance towards the arena’s pit. He could smell the sweat and blood long shed and dried in the sands of the battlefield, taste it almost. He could feel the individual grains of sand shift beneath his step through his footwear. When you could decipher every detail. When you could analyze every second individually in all of its parts time seemed different. It was not flying by, ever. It was calculated and documented upon each passing moment. --c--

16:15:32 Bear enters this room

16:15:38 [Yoshimitsu] --c-- The warrior who stepped through the opening towards the arena was something that this battlefield hadn’t seen before. Certainly there were similarities to previous combatants but nothing quite like Yoshimitsu. At first the silhouette of the stranger would lead to believe he were an ancient Samurai. A militaristic noble that ruled before the time of industry. This appearance was not without irony. What stepped from the shadows was not simply a man in armor. But something else entirely. The obsidian garb was intricately detailed with red lights. The armor had a sleek shine to it, very “Darth Vader”esque to give it a proper sci-fi colloquialism. It was hard to tell what lie within the armor. Where the machine began and the man ended. The philosophical concept has been around far before the thought of prosthetics and cybernetics. The Ship Of Theseus, at what point did that ship become something else? When was its identity changed? Or did it ever? --c--

16:15:43 [Yoshimitsu] --c-- At what point would the warrior known only as Yoshimitsu have changed identities from man to machine? Was it when his eyes were replaced with synthetic optical receivers? Or when his cerebral cortex was replaced with another synthetic replacement that could hold massive amounts of information, infinitely vast compared to what his previous brain could store. Or was it when his blood was replaced with a far more efficient liquid designed in a lab in order to optimally work and heal his also synthetic musculature and epidermis? One couldn’t be sure, but one thing was for certain. Yoshimitsu found identity on the battlefield. In the throes of combat. Regardless of his true identity or change. The cybernetic samurai warrior was walking towards the center of that bloody stage of sand. His hands held firm at his sides as he stopped. His essence reaching out for the blade sheathed upon his waist as he waited for a worthy challenger to provide a worthy challenge. --c--

16:15:49 [Yoshimitsu] --c--Those robotic ocular devices would glow red under the brim of that dark helmet scanning his immediate surroundings for said challenger. Yoshimitsu’s patience was absolute because time… Time was inconsequential to him now. --e--

16:17:02 [Drayle] Interesting Intro...

16:17:43 [Yoshimitsu] I liked it.

16:18:39 [Drayle] I figured you would. So. -takes a casual stance, cane held like a reverse grip- Shall we?

16:19:28 [Yoshimitsu] Fuckin' post and we can begin.

16:19:41 [Raphaela] [ I think he did. ]

16:19:54 [Drayle] [[ Thanks Raph ]]

16:20:14 [Yoshimitsu] ...

16:20:26 [Raphaela] [ Don't thank me... I'm snickering behind screen.

16:20:36 [Yoshimitsu] Fucking troll.

16:20:44 [Drayle] What, think just beacuse you have the Intro of the Gods that I have to over exert myself?

16:20:47 [Yoshimitsu] No one is that stupid on accident. >:/

16:20:59 [Yoshimitsu] GTFO.

16:21:07 [Drayle] Whatever. Not worth my time Whiner

16:21:08 Raphaela props Bear up with popcorn.

16:21:18 Drayle exits from this room


I AM DISAPPOINT!

[SilverStreak]

[Auvic]

See though, I don't really expect much from RPers who are RPing just to duel.
But I see your log and I raise you +2 stupid.

16:59:31 [User] Greetings.
16:59:54 [User] I come from a remote kingdom .
17:00:05 [User] Who is the landslord here?
17:00:31 [User] No one?..
17:00:45 [User] Great. Finally a represantative.
17:01:02 [User] Now, I've just left one of the local chatrooms here..
17:01:12 [User] They mentioned some kind of closed RP and members..
17:01:30 [User] In my opinion, a pack of thieves who are hiding something from strangers.
17:01:47 [User] Anyways,
17:01:51 [User] I was unwelcomed.
17:02:09 [User] That is why I want to make sure if it is the same here.
17:02:34 [User] Isn't this an RPG chatroom
17:02:42 [User] Apply for what and to whom
17:03:27 [User] Now you people fail to inform strangers and visitors about your local rules, and expect us to apply them without even knowing them
17:03:37 [User] Apply to you?
17:03:49 [User] To tell you that I want to roleplay for example?
17:04:11 [User] And then I would get permission to roleplay in whatever I want ? Am I getting this correctly?

Where the hell do people like this come from ?_____?

Name/other people removed just so you don't have to look through a bunch of other chat.

[Familiar]

Still love this picture.

[Levistus]

[1337]

and

[Moondog]

16:15:32 [Yoshimitsu] Way too much crap

16:15:32 Bear enters this room

16:15:38 [Yoshimitsu]Pretentious tripe
16:15:43 [Yoshimitsu] Massive waste of space
16:15:49 [Yoshimitsu] More crap

16:17:02 [Drayle] Interesting Intro...

16:17:43 [Yoshimitsu] I liked it.

16:18:39 [Drayle] Good post

16:19:28 [Yoshimitsu] Fuckin' post and we can begin.

16:19:41 [Raphaela] [ I think he did. ]

16:19:54 [Drayle] [[ Thanks Raph ]]

16:20:14 [Yoshimitsu] ...

16:20:26 [Raphaela] [ Don't thank me... I'm snickering behind screen.

16:20:36 [Yoshimitsu] Fucking troll.

16:20:44 [Drayle] What, think just beacuse you have the Intro of the Gods that I have to over exert myself?

16:20:47 [Yoshimitsu] No one is that stupid on accident. >:/

16:20:59 [Yoshimitsu] GTFO.

16:21:07 [Drayle] Whatever. Not worth my time Whiner

16:21:08 Raphaela props Bear up with popcorn.

16:21:18 Drayle exits from this room


I AM DISAPPOINT!

looks p. great to me

[Jason Baane]

That's pretty glorious, 1337.

[1337]

16:15:32 [Yoshimitsu] Well Thought out begining
16:15:32 Bear enters this room
16:15:38 [Yoshimitsu] Explanatory middle due to lack of profile to help convey just what my character is
16:15:43 [Yoshimitsu] Explanatory middle cont. and end
16:15:49 [Yoshimitsu] Last sentence that didn't fit in the last paragraph ALSO AWESOME FULL CIRCLE ENDING FOR EFFECT

FIX'D

[Lugh]

16:15:32 [Yoshimitsu] Time… The concept of time had changed drastically ever since… well, there has been changes, that’s all that really matters. Locomotion had grown different too. It was like fatigue didn’t exist anymore. Getting tired was a thing of the past. The long forgotten past. The senses had become different as well, everything was magnified tenfold. For example, he could hear whispers carried along the wind. He could see intricate details within the dark tunnel of that foreboding entrance towards the arena’s pit. He could smell the sweat and blood long shed and dried in the sands of the battlefield, taste it almost. He could feel the individual grains of sand shift beneath his step through his footwear. When you could decipher every detail. When you could analyze every second individually in all of its parts time seemed different. It was not flying by, ever. It was calculated and documented upon each passing moment. --c--

16:15:32 Bear enters this room

16:15:38 [Yoshimitsu] --c-- The warrior who stepped through the opening towards the arena was something that this battlefield hadn’t seen before. Certainly there were similarities to previous combatants but nothing quite like Yoshimitsu. At first the silhouette of the stranger would lead to believe he were an ancient Samurai. A militaristic noble that ruled before the time of industry. This appearance was not without irony. What stepped from the shadows was not simply a man in armor. But something else entirely. The obsidian garb was intricately detailed with red lights. The armor had a sleek shine to it, very “Darth Vader”esque to give it a proper sci-fi colloquialism. It was hard to tell what lie within the armor. Where the machine began and the man ended. The philosophical concept has been around far before the thought of prosthetics and cybernetics. The Ship Of Theseus, at what point did that ship become something else? When was its identity changed? Or did it ever? --c--

16:15:43 [Yoshimitsu] --c-- At what point would the warrior known only as Yoshimitsu have changed identities from man to machine? Was it when his eyes were replaced with synthetic optical receivers? Or when his cerebral cortex was replaced with another synthetic replacement that could hold massive amounts of information, infinitely vast compared to what his previous brain could store. Or was it when his blood was replaced with a far more efficient liquid designed in a lab in order to optimally work and heal his also synthetic musculature and epidermis? One couldn’t be sure, but one thing was for certain. Yoshimitsu found identity on the battlefield. In the throes of combat. Regardless of his true identity or change. The cybernetic samurai warrior was walking towards the center of that bloody stage of sand. His hands held firm at his sides as he stopped. His essence reaching out for the blade sheathed upon his waist as he waited for a worthy challenger to provide a worthy challenge. --c--

16:15:49 [Yoshimitsu] --c--Those robotic ocular devices would glow red under the brim of that dark helmet scanning his immediate surroundings for said challenger. Yoshimitsu’s patience was absolute because time… Time was inconsequential to him now. --e--

16:20:44 [Drayle] What, think just beacuse you have the Intro of the Gods that I have to over exert myself?

[1337]

BUT IF YOU WANT TO GET REALLY TECHNICAL.

16:15:32 [Yoshimitsu] Effort.
16:17:02 [Drayle] Interesting Intro...
16:17:43 [Yoshimitsu] I liked it.
16:18:39 [Drayle] Bull shit.

--

Edit: Also, Lugh, I've seen that clapping gif at least 3 times now. >:/

[Auvic]

16:15:32 [Yoshimitsu] I'm different now, k? I don't just look at things, I see things! Really! I see things! (Repeat last sentence to paragraph limit.)
16:15:32 Bear enters this room
16:15:38 [Yoshimitsu] I look like a samurai. A shiny one. But it's not armor, it's machine! Am I cool yet? Here, I'll toss in a mythological reference and hope people get it.
16:15:43 [Yoshimitsu] I think these posts need more monologue, lemme slap some here. And by slap, I mean chop - because if I make my sentences choppy enough, it'll be edgier. Right? And see, I worked in a reference to Vince there, too!
16:15:49 [Yoshimitsu]Also, I thought I should let you know that I'm taking a look around.

FIX'D

Refix'd.
I bolded the only actually important part of that entire post :/

[1337]

16:15:32 [Yoshimitsu] I'm different now, k? I don't just look at things, I see things! Really! I see things! (Repeat last sentence to paragraph limit.)
16:15:32 Bear enters this room
16:15:38 [Yoshimitsu] I look like a samurai. A shiny one. But it's not armor, it's machine! Am I cool yet? Here, I'll toss in a mythological reference and hope people get it.
16:15:43 [Yoshimitsu] I think these posts need more monologue, lemme slap some here. And by slap, I mean chop - because if I make my sentences choppy enough, it'll be edgier. Right? And see, I worked in a reference to Vince there, too!
16:15:49 [Yoshimitsu]Also, I thought I should let you know that I'm taking a look around.

FIX'D

Refix'd.
I bolded the only actually important part of that entire post :/

Ahah. At least that one was funny. I approve.

[1337]

This is actually sort of interesting. This is a matter that I've seen a lot.

People getting massively hostile about people who like to write a lot and put painstaking detail into, at least their intros. Why is this?

I mean granted it's understandable why I was annoyed with getting a short post (AND THAT'S PUTTING IT LIGHTLY). But honestly, I'm intrigued by this hostility. I don't mind people who don't like posting a lot. I certainly don't want a laughable quarter of a SINGLE line in rebuttal to my decently thought out and effort driven intro post. By why is it that people feel the need to bash people who take pride in their writing?

Yes, almost all of that post was fluff. But when I post my intros I like to be thorough, especially when it comes to combat RPs [I.E. in the arena]. So that I don't have to waste time explaining said details later on during the fight where length is a hindrance to the flow of combat. I don't post four paragraphs every god damn turn. Unless I really have that much to explain, or I know I have a lot of time, or I'm particularly invested with the RP and my opponent churns out the same.

It's not just self-indulgent peen-stroking. It serves purpose. Especially considering I had NO profile written for Yoshimitsu. -- Hell. I had the post already pre-written (That I did on my own time) so no one had to wait at ALL for that post. Now honestly. What's wrong with that? It's not as if the writing quality was terrible. I'm not that bad a writer to the point where you can't sit there and at least enjoy some of it. It's only 3 paragraphs + a sentence. Has the average attention span for RP'ers waned so much that 3 paragraphs makes them want to ragesterbate with furious vengeance because they can't focus?

[Xachariah]

I was once in an RP with a guy who would post literally pages of how pretty his guy was. I quickly stopped reading and started just skimming to see if my name was mentioned, because that would mean I had to pay attention to the blobs of "AND PEOPLE ALWAYS REMARK ON HOW BEAUTIFUL HE IS" or whatever, I can't really remember what he'd say, it was a long time ago.

Anyway. I look at the multiparagraph entrance as pretty silly mostly because, well, if you had a profile that'd take care of most of it, and then a lot of the rest is things that only your character is aware of. If you intend to give people insight into the condition of your character, then it works, but if you intended it to be just a stylistic flourish, it gets rather bogged down in all the ultradescription. I, personally, would probably skim over it for salient details (samurai, mechanical, Darth Vaderesque, Ship of... wait, what?) and just run with what I'd figured out from there instead of worrying about what your character could feel.

Aside from that, I honestly forget what I was about to say. Man, I hate it when that happens. I 'unno.

Oh, remembered it. My views on writing are 'show, don't tell.' You... pretty much told them everything, which is one of my major issues with paraposting - it occurs, a lot of the time, when a post is bloated beyond its boundaries by too much information that may or may not have anything to do with the subject at hand. Also happens a lot if you get characters talking much. Anyway, it kind of turns into an infodump, after a while, leaving the reader bewildered and somewhat confused as to what, say, the Ship of Perseus has to do with Darth Vader (apparently ironic?) Samurai Machine Dude. It gets hard to follow after a while if there's not an obvious point to it. Like this paragraph probably has. Totally intentional. Really. (Disregard that, I suck cocks.)

I also tend to try to match my post style to the people I'm playing with, if I can and their style doesn't leave me going "... man, I literally have no desire to type that much." Like when they post three paragraphs and a sentence. It ends up making me do too much fluff and not enough crunch, and I hate it when I do that.

[Auvic]

People getting massively hostile about people who like to write a lot and put painstaking detail into, at least their intros. Why is this?

I don't think anyone in here is 'massively hostile', 1337 - possibly 'disapprovingly annoyed' at most.
Writing lots is fine. Detail is fine. The caveat is that most people expect there to be ample reason for anything above and beyond the bare minimums of what's required to understand what you're saying, I think.

Y'know what? Disclaimer: This is all imho, I'm not speaking for everyone, just what I've seen, etc etc.

I mean granted it's understandable why I was annoyed with getting a short post

It's understandable that you might be irritated, but not everyone is upset by oneline responses. Honestly, the biggest issue I would have is not knowing precisely where he was, what he was wearing, etc etc...
But then again, I would be lacking similar information from your post. You mentioned 'walking to the center', and then you mentioned 'stopping'. Did you stop short? Did you stop only when you got to the center? If your 'essence' is reaching for your sword, but your hands are at your side, wtf am I looking at?

Needless to say, both long and short posts here were lacking some very important details - but the difference between them is that the other guy didn't even have three paragraphs of fluff to read through to realize things were missing.

By why is it that people feel the need to bash people who take pride in their writing?

This, I think, is answered by

Yes, almost all of that post was fluff.

Because as I said earlier, excessive fluff is not only excessive, but glaringly obvious and grating - and to some, beyond irritating and something else entirely.

when I post my intros I like to be thorough, especially when it comes to combat RPs...So that I don't have to waste time explaining said details later on during the fight where length is a hindrance to the flow of combat.

I already pointed out details from your post that are lacking that I would have liked to know, had I been the person sparring with you.

Has the average attention span for RP'ers waned so much that 3 paragraphs makes them want to ragesterbate with furious vengeance because they can't focus?

I'm feeling a straw man argument here, but because I don't actually know what that entails(I only have a vague grasp of the definitions of various logical fallacies, though I have some idea of one when I see one), I'll explain what I mean anyway.

Is the attention span of RPers so short that 3 paragraphs is too much? Possibly, but that's sort of redirecting focus onto the receiver, especially when you've said:

I had the post already pre-written so no one had to wait at ALL for that post.
It's not as if the writing quality was terrible.

But regardless of the writing quality, regardless of whether or not the post is prewritten, you're still guilty of

Yes, almost all of that post was fluff.

And that, I think, is the major issue.

Post up three paragraphs of information that is 100% relevant, engage your reader somewhere that isn't the last line(it feels like you're doing it as an afterthought, and that's pretty rude, considering a duel between two guys is about as non-homo intimate as RPs get), and I don't think people will be nearly as, or even upset with you at all.
That being said, when you eliminate fluff, most posts tend to shrink to a para-para and a half or so. For your three paras, I think I could reduce it down to one para without losing anything important - especially because monologuing isn't really relevant to anything besides your e-peen.

tl;dr:
You can say

It's not just self-indulgent peen-stroking.

, but you'll have to prove that

It serves purpose.

[1337]

For reference, just so people are aware. (Xach obviously didn't know what the Theseus Paradox was so I figured i'd state this for anyone else, just so it points out how relevant, albeit fluffy, the reference was.)

The Ship of Theseus, also known as Theseus' paradox is a paradox that raises the question of whether an object which has had all its component parts replaced remains fundamentally the same object. Ghost in the Shell dedicates a great deal of time to this paradox, though with a twist: If a human has had one's whole body replaced by artificial parts, is one still a human? Which I thought the literary reference suiting. Admittedly 100% indulgent, but definitely suiting.

[1337]

I guess I didn't explain the "purpose". What I meant to say was I like to get the physical details out of the way in the intropost. The introspective self-indulgent fluff that helps describe what my character is and generally hint to what he's capable of so that I don't have to worry about writing physical details about my characters or explaining things once the combat starts. And as for the details you would have liked as in "where he was standing" or "if he really reached for his sword". It doesn't really matter where exactly he was standing obviously somewhere between the entrance and the middle. The fact that he was standing still is the important part. And yes, I can see where there might be some confusion if he was actually drawing his sword, I guess. But if he was actually drawing his sword it would have been stated less vaguely than that. I described nothing other than his desire to draw his blade.

[Inquisitor]

So wait, I didn't actually read 1337's amateurish post at the beginning, so what I've pieced together from this thread is:

1337 goes into room with a canon character
1337 proceeds to write up a huge, largely shitty post
Other people give him a courtesy post
1337 pitches a hissy fit that no one wants to put that much effort into RPing with him
1337 posts on forums, expects sympathy

Right?

If I'm reading the time line correctly: You're pathetic. You wrote 3 paragraphs that weren't interesting enough to garner any attention and illicit a suitable response, and you came to cry on the forums about it?

[Levistus]

People are looking at this the wrong way. RP-fighting isn't just RP-fighting. A long time ago fighting was considered character-building and allowed separate characters to exchange styles and items and shit. The fighting population on TK seem to be entirely dedicated to jerking each other off and literally fight like a bunch of talentless faggots. When I first jumped ship over to TK last year or so, the way the fighting culture treated fighting was shocking. On CC, you'd make lavish posts from the get-go and para back and forth, having fun and doing shit that other people would enjoy watching instead of trying anything you could to win or having all these "anti-magic fields" and talking shit to other users for their choice of weapons like TK. 1337 is from a place where you'd get mutual respect if you fought. People making shitty posts like Drayle was an insult on CC back in the day, long before it was, apparently, considered bad to make a good entrance post. People wanted to make ridiculously long and descriptive posts. The fact that some douche makes a "walks in blah blah" post just shows he's been swayed to the side of half-assing and doesn't deserve to fight anybody anyways.

(fighters on TK suck anyways lololol)

[Lugh]

People are looking at this the wrong way. RP-fighting isn't just RP-fighting. A long time ago fighting was considered character-building and allowed separate characters to exchange styles and items and shit. The fighting population on TK seem to be entirely dedicated to jerking each other off and literally fight like a bunch of talentless faggots. When I first jumped ship over to TK last year or so, the way the fighting culture treated fighting was shocking. On CC, you'd make lavish posts from the get-go and para back and forth, having fun and doing shit that other people would enjoy watching instead of trying anything you could to win or having all these "anti-magic fields" and talking shit to other users for their choice of weapons like TK. 1337 is from a place where you'd get mutual respect if you fought. People making shitty posts like Drayle was an insult on CC back in the day, long before it was, apparently, considered bad to make a good entrance post. People wanted to make ridiculously long and descriptive posts. The fact that some douche makes a "walks in blah blah" post just shows he's been swayed to the side of half-assing and doesn't deserve to fight anybody anyways.

This isn't some kind of writer's workshop. Even if it was, you'd probably be laughed out, unless the theme was "write self-indulgent purpled prose".

I know you guys have most likely never played tabletop, but think about it like this - if we were a bunch of D&D players and we're all "I check out the elven barmaid" and "I grab a drink and wait for our bro to show up" and you barge in with that shit 1337 did, in real life, everyone would be mad as hell and wouldn't want you to play in their group.

Yeah, it's not exactly the same thing but if I wanted to read reams of text, I'd grab a book. And I can guarantee you that much of what I'd read in a similar vein to what goes on in the chat would be sparse and economical. Robert E. Howard, for example.

[Kade]

Auvic, strawman is... uh, when someone rephrases an [opponent's] argument in a way that is deliberately weaker than it was originally, or more distorted, or just corrupted in some way. They usually then go on to attack the corrupted version of the argument, if the rephrasing itself wasn't an attack already.

[Kade]

WARNING
The following is an opinion:
I'm with 1337 here. To me, the merit of the minimalist, relevancy-stressing rhetoric most of you are throwing at 1337 is the fact that it tends to save time, and most of us don't want to devote an exta 10-20 minutes per post just waiting around to get some irrelevant background information that amounts to an inessential "and I dramatically flip my hair." However, 1337 had the post PREWRITTEN so... who cares. I'd read it all without complaint. As long as there's no extra waiting around between posts, I'd gladly drink in a character's "fluff". But I'm an avid lover of people's characters / creativity in general, so "fluff" doesn't bug me. I like the insights, and I don't have trouble discerning between things my character would perceive and things I'm getting a peek as as result of player-omniscience.

So... yeah. What I skimmed through with Lugh, Auvic, Xach, Inquis, etc. doesn't even apply for me. My focus with minimalism/relevancy-stressing is just saving time. It's not an ideology beyond that. Not some "proper writing" religion. I did only skim though, so sorry if I fudged any of your arguments guys.

Also, I'd be annoyed if I got a one line response to a post I actually put effort into. I'd wager money that you all would, nitpicking about what constitutes "annoyed" aside.

1337, I liked the Theseus Paradox bit. Did you know every 7 years all the matter in your body is replaced by new matter? Trippy. The "stuff" that used to be "you" seven years ago is no longer "you." Anyway, shared fascination, blahblah.

Edit: PS, 1337, you're still a weener.

[Kade]

(fighters on TK suck anyways lololol)

this.

[MadMusician]

Hmm...

A TK Paragraph is roughly 1000 letters. The actual paragraph in the english language consist of roughly, 5 sentences. And as I've found out a long time ago, asking some people to do 500 letters is really pushing it. It's not that they're too dumb to do it. More than often, it's that they just don't want to put the effort into doing it.

I also do frown down upon "Pre-made posts", but I don't hold any kind of malice against those who do it. It's a good way to save time on the initial post, and I understand that.

At the same time, I -really- don't like the usage of one-liners, especially in a consistent manner. Honestly, even if I do post 3 TK paragraphs, the minimal response I'm going to expect is honestly, roughly 50 words. I might not like it, but I'll roll with it. Walls of text are fucking annoying though, I'm not going to lie. And I do my best to avoid them.