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Author Topic: The Keep's own Mary Sue checklist [Alpha 1.7]: "Can I play, Daddy?" scoring  (Read 1248 times)
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« on: July 19, 2011, 05:20:07 AM »

This is a work in progress. Things are still being added, removed, and tweaked daily. I bold something when it's important or new.

I don't know why I did this. Maybe I felt like it was time to get up and do something to change the world for the better, but I was an unproductive lazy shithead so I just decided to make a list of problems instead. Writing this also very nearly cast me into depression, but I quickly remembered feeling jaded and hating people is a stupid cliche.

While I did try to make this functional, it also just sort of serves as a list of all the shit that's smeared around within the walls of TK and is essentially terrible, overdone, or both. I reserve my bias and mock (but very frequently real!) hatred for these bits of text; the actual options are meant to be clean and factual. Though I genuinely do not like cliches and act like a jerk, I ultimately mean this in a fun-spirited, not-so-serious way. Feel free to post any characters you've run through the gauntlet, or seek evaluation.

I'm including all the things I find to be fairly common in TK. If you want to know why something's on there, ask. If you know something that you think shows up frequently enough to be on the list, post it.

I removed all the "has two or more of those options" options, as I decided they were unnecessary punishment. Just take a point for every single option that applies to your character, unless noted otherwise by a footnote or the option itself.

There are actually two parts. The first consists of features common to TK characters. Some of these are very simple and easily possessed by the most well-written characters; having them only means they seem to share them with a considerable amount of the population. How many times a thing is done obviously doesn't make something bad, but monkey jesus can it make it overdone. And I think I'm being fair when I say that alone means you should die. To be perfectly clear, having plenty of cliches is not bad. It's having them without good reason that's bad. Part 2 attempts to recognize and account for this.

The second part, Redeemers, is vital and much more difficult. You'll see when you get there. Make sure you read it, otherwise this is not going to be pretty.

I've pretty much decided I'll be working on a beta which incorporates a stronger point value system, which will make it a little harder to so easily qualify for sue status. Probably. Not that I expect any of you give enough of a shit to bother redoing it when it's revised. I wouldn't. I have after all these years composed a list of all the cliches that bug me, though, and that's enough for me. The power of, ironically, low standards.


Now that that's all said, let's begin!

Cliches
You get one point if your character...

name
-has a japanese or japanese-sounding name; 2 points if your character has a japanese name but nothing to do with japan
-is an unusual alternate spelling of a pre-existing name ('mykel')
-has a name consisting of a word or words (Darkheart, ShadowLord, etc)
-is 'nameless'; it's forgotten, never told, or does not exist

race
-is a vampire
-is a demon
-is elven, or drow
-is an angel; 2 points if 'fallen'
-is a furry or nonfurred anthro
-is the only one of its kind, ever or remaining
-is 'unknown'
-is a catgirl, or a human with features of another creature (but not strong enough to be an anthro)
-is a wolf
-is a dragon
-is a personification of an emotion, virtue/sin, deity, etcetera
-is supposed to be some major religious figure, or related; satan, or the son thereof, etcetera
-is an experimental creation or modified being, be it scientific, arcane, whatever (super-soldiers included)
-is some sort of rampaging, fearsome, destructive or dangerous monster/terror
-is something inhumanly strange; a disembodied entity, an amorphous blob, an orb of light, etc
-is an alien species or species which otherwise developed completely separately from humanity but still looks decidedly human; 2 points if they can reproduce with other human-like species

age
-is a child*
-is in their teens to twenties*
-is anywhere from centuries to thousands of years old**
-is outrageously ancient; many thousands to millions to eons**
-is an unknown age, or 'so old the character/everyone forgot'

*Age is relative to your character's race. Take this if they're the equivalent.
**exception: if ancient, you do not need to take the former option.

personality and mind
-seems tough, mysterious, cool, intimidating, or something which would otherwise make your character look good, strong, etcetera
-is shy or introverted; 2 points if they're happy and outgoing when they/if open up to someone
-is withdrawn and quiet; antisocial, often meant to be mysterious
-is cold and unfeeling or apathetic
-is calm, collected, and calculating
-has your own personality or something nearly identical to it
-has a mental disorder
- Cry
-is a stereotypical tomboy, if female
-is evil, often stereotypically so or bad just for the sake of being bad
-is stereotypically insane; chaotic, emotionally volatile, delusional, etcetera
-has an alternate personality; often influences or takes over a character for periods of time
-is supposed to be a cunning manipulator (typically female)
-puts on a facade of innocence regularly; often to hide the above option
-is described as sweet

appearance
-appears to be an age which they actually are not
-is notably attractive; beautiful, shapely, well-built, etcetera
-is frightening or intimidating (not necessarily ugly), or can be easily
-wears revealing, scant, or otherwise sexy/lewd clothing
-has eyes of an unusual color*
-has hair of an unusual color*
-has blue or green eyes; you do not actually take a point for this, as it's odd to have to justify it. It is very common, though, so note it.

*Dependent on race; for a drow, white hair is ordinary. For an orc it would be pretty unusual.

occupation, livelihood, or general means of living
-is a slave
-is just wealthy; doesn't have to do anything
-has no given job, or is a mysterious drifter
-is a mercenary, hitman or assassin
-is a government agent, or works for a similar organization
-is a dancer
-owns or manages a major business, corporation, facility, etcetera

background and story
-came from a village, tribal camp, etcetera
-came from a place that has since been destroyed or no longer exists
-has amnesia
-has deceased parents
-is a 'chosen one' or otherwise involved in some grand destiny
-is out for revenge against someone
-is being pursued by something; an agency or organization, the police, etcetera
-ran away from home
-lived out on the streets
-became a slave at some point
-came from a wealthy or high-class home
-is a prince or princess
-has a rough history they don't like to talk about
-was an uncontrollable or powerful child, or both
-was a sadistic or otherwise evil child; 2 points if they killed their parents, a sibling, etcetera
-was once evil, but has since changed their ways
-has died and returned to life

traits
-has eyes that change colors; 2 points if corresponding to mood or emotion
-has eyes that are different colors
-has eyes that glow
-has a noticeable aura which encourages a particular feeling in others, often fear, or radiates something (anger, holiness, evil, etcetera)
-is some sort of genius or prodigy; abnormally skilled or talented
-has a mind that drives anyone attempting to probe it insane, or inflicts trauma on them
-lacks a weakness they should or would normally have
-has a spirit, consciousness, or other entity which shares their body or mind
-is immortal; ageless
-is immune to mind-reading, and/or mind-control
-is more intelligent or capable than an average member of their race

powers, abilties, and skills
-has one or more elementally themed powers (fire, ice, water, darkness, etcetera)
-has healing powers; often female
-uses 'magic' that comes from a video game or is ill-described; consists of vague words or gestures
-is very, very powerful (archmage, demi-god, ancient horror, or stereotypical arena character)
-is much stronger with, in control of, or skilled at their powers or abilities than most similar people are for their age; they learn very fast
-has telepathy or superhuman empathy*; often female
-has the ability to seduce or otherwise charm characters in a supernatural fashion
-shapeshifting
-is very fast
-has superhuman strength and/or durability
-wields two or more weapons simultaneously
-can transform or has an alternate form
-controls energy (electricity, kinetic energy, etcetera)
-can control or transmute matter, often on a molecular or atomic scale
-is psionic
-has abilities taken from or modeled after those in the Naruto world, or another anime series
-uses chi/ki or similar vital energies
-cannot or has difficulty controlling or otherwise using their powers
-has considerable skills (robotics, medicine, basket-weaving, arcane ritual) or better
-has considerable combat training (weapons or barehanded), or better
-has a final or secret attack or technique, or several

*empathy is a basic psychological function, not a power.

possessions
-has a dagger/knife, or several; often female
-has a scythe
-has a katana, or several
-has a firearm or several (often extensively detailed); 2 points for desert eagles
-has a legendary or considerably powerful item
-has a cool car, cool bike, or other badass vehicle
-has something very ornate or with several precious materials
-has an object with unknown or mysterious capabilities

misc
-is actually an official or otherwise published character belonging to a series, setting etcetera which does not belong to you and you did not create; a clone character.

Redeemers
   Whew. Alright, done with that part, but we're not through yet! In fairness and out of respect for originality, here is a second section which recognizes good qualities. You subtract the points of this section from whatever you accumulated in the previous one. I cannot possibly list every good or redeeming feature, so you may will (hopefully) have ones not mentioned below, or you might outright disagree with what I suggested.
   This section essentially allows you to justify any cliches your character has; if you have solid judgment and believe those cliches were implemented well or reasonably, this is your chance to negate the point for having them--maybe even take multiple points off! If you even just have a decent explanation or reason for a cliche, it's likely redeemed. A character who just has "healing powers/abilities" because they sounded convenient or like something cool to throw in, with no good origin and not even a basic explanation for function, does not get redemption. On the other hand, a shaman who uses plant-based remedies or exorcism to get rid of illness-causing spirits does have solid justification, and so the cliche point from healing is at least canceled out.

   Statistically speaking you should probably get outside opinions on whether or not qualities are redeeming though, because damn, people. If you want an example of Redeemers in action, I have posted a character of my own at the bottom of this post.

So allow me to make it clear that all the options that follow are not the only redeemers a character might have or use, nor do I arrogantly think they make you a paragon of roleplaying. They're just suggestions and examples.

You subtract one point if your character...

race
-is some sort of cryptid or supernatural being which adheres to its respective folklore (i.e. a vampire weak to christian symbols)
-is a member of a race which you created yourself, though the race is subject to standards and must prove not to be mary sue-y itself
-is a standard member of some less common race; a minotaur, a troll, etcetera

age
-looks 30 or older; an adult or elderly person
-has an unusual relationship with time
-ages in accordance with the passage of real time

personality and mind
-has a mental disability which genuinely inhibits them in some way, is played out accurately and used as more than a fast and easy way to try and add interesting quirks or features to a personality
-has a phobia that meets all of the criteria outlined for mental disabilities
-has facades or fronts the player knowingly uses; the character itself tries to act or look a certain way, rather than the player trying to force that perception on other characters (such as in 'seems tough ...' under personality cliches)
-has an ideology, beliefs or interests which are notably different than the player's, portrayed without bias; trait of good roleplaying/writing

appearance
-has brown eyes
-wears armor/clothing that covers the midriff, chest, thighs etcetera
-is described as plain or average; may be somewhat cute or charming
-is ugly. Genuinely "christ on crackers--was her father an orc?" ugly†
-is chubby or overweight*

*if your character is a furry or anthro, you can not get the benefit of this option.
†Ugly here means the general populace of TK would consider your character ugly. I'm sure a particular male troll might be quite handsome to female trolls, but they don't exactly constitute a significant portion of the population.

occupation, livelihood, general means of living
-works at a convenience store, or virtually any other mundane, possibly unappealing job
-is decidedly unemployed and has no reliable means of getting money or exchanging services

traits
-has a physical/physiological disability, such as a bad knee, blindness, an amputated limb, weak immune system, etcetera, which is not easily compensated for by another trait or power/ability

powers, abilities, skills
-has no powers or superhuman abilities; plain normal
-derives them from or explains them using a thought-out/researched, real world/fictional system of beliefs or mechanics
-avoids or genuinely dislikes using them
-receives injury or trauma from using them, which is at or can reach dangerous levels
-received training over an appropriate period of time for their skills from a mentor, academy, etcetera
-is naturally inept or does poorly at at least half of (or the only) powers, abilities or skills they do posses

possessions
-has a first aid kit, or some sort of medical supplies in lieu of healing abilities or access thereto
-has mace/pepper spray, a taser, or some similar item for self defense
-has a currency balance you keep track of
-uses a bicycle for transport, or has a vehicle which is not especially fancy or cool

misc
-one or more of the cliches or redeemers are intentionally ridiculous or silly, or made fun of by the player. It's easy to overdo this, but the idea is that the character is still serious enough to be playable. You may take this multiple times, for whatever it applies to.

Results time!

1-3 points: Unless your character only has very few overall list items, don't sweat it. You're dandy.
4-8 points: You uh, you should probably look something over.
9-14 points: There is almost definitely something wrong here. Sure you got redemption?
15+ points: This is bad. Take creative writing classes. Elevate your standards. Stop being 15 years old.

0-(-2) points: Good job.
-3-(-6) points: Better job.
-7-(-10) points: You might be trying too hard, which puts you back in the positives. Bv

If you got a poor score and think this is unbalanced, it's actually not. I just hate you, and you deserve to be hated. Go ahead and line up the options you checked and read them back to yourself. You'll hate yourself too.

Example TK character:
Marleen was born in a village destroyed by demons when she was young. Her parents were killed in the attack. Ever since then she's been on her own. She can control fire and has healing abilities. She has grown up to become an assassin. She has a demonic side which occasionally takes control of her body. You can literally find a character like this on any given day; this is not exaggeration.

Bonus round! Profiles! They don't technically impact the originality of your character but god damn do people really need to stop doing a lot of these things. Actually, new rule: if you had a score of 15 or more, you also add any of the following that your character's profile qualifies for to your total score, which just makes you a terrible person, really.

profile
-has an anime picture
-has a picture with a figure that is scantily clad, outright nude, or suggestive
-is meant to look like a computer database, or file
-has a section which is added but intentionally left empty or not actually answered
-is styled as an interview; 2 points if your character intimidates, frightens, kills or generally has an attitude towards the interviewer
-contains song lyrics or poetry. If that's all, it's not too long and decidedly pertains to the character, it's probably alright.
-has a theme song
-is a character profile and contains many quotes
-quotes that are of or heavily involve yourself
-heavy thesaurus usage
-obscure or unusual color names ('chocolate fudge', 'pale obsidian', and the like)

This is pretty much what I got after a few hours of recollection and profile scanning. I know certain sections can definitely be expanded. The list will grow in scope, in precision, and in power. It cannot be stopped.

I ran my most recent character through, just to show you I'm not immune either, that it's not really too hard to escape a lot of things on the list, and to give you an example of redeemers in action.

Hobkaul Kujaw; retired orc adventurer.
Cliches:
+1 Appearance: Intimidating. +3 Background: Came from a tribal camp/village, no longer exists, once evil (or cruelly indifferent at least). +1 Traits: More intelligent than average orc. +2 Powers: Healing (troll regeneration), superhuman strength/durability = 7 total

Redeemers:
Age: Equivalent of mid-thirties to forties for orcs -1. Appearance: His father really was an orc -1. Background: Tribal camp (plausible history for an orc) -1, no longer exists (gradually lost sustainability; survivors split/migrated) -1, . Powers: Healing and strength/durability (tied together and generated by a character class; emphasizes tribal belief of eating hearts of enemies to gain a power or talent) -2, Personality and Mind: Strong natural instinct to create victims/dominate; often has to consciously mitigate -1. Occupation: Runs a small bar/tavern -1 = -8

Final Score: -1. I get the towel with turtles on it.
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« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2011, 05:30:56 AM »

Interesting read.  That said, I try my very best not to lump folks into groups until after I have had the pleasure (or displeasure) of RPing with them personally.

For a specific, though:  If I see a vulnerable, jailbait cat demon, I am content to fall back on preemptive judgment and will usually GTFO ASAP.
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« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2011, 06:19:05 AM »

God damn it. I, as a human being, have a six.

Most of my characters scored far better, though.
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« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2011, 06:57:47 AM »

This oughtta be fun. Taking this for Yasmine.

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-has a japanese or japanese-sounding name; 2 points if your character has nothing to do with japan
-is an unusual alternate spelling of a pre-existing name ('mykel')
-has a name consisting of a word or words (Darkheart, ShadowLord, etc)
-is 'nameless'; it's forgotten, never told, or does not exist

-has a name with two or more of those features.

Nope x 5.

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race
-is a catgirl, or a human with features of another creature (but not strong enough to be an anthro)

That's 1 point.

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age
-is in their teens to twenties
-is anywhere from centuries to thousands of years old*
-is outrageously ancient; many thousands to millions to eons*
-is an unknown age, or 'so old the character forgot'

*exception: if ancient, you do not need to take the former option.

Wellllll. I never actually decided, only that she's older than she looks... sooo... I'll go with the last one. so, 1 point.

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personality and mind
-is meant to look tough, or tries to
-is shy or introverted; 2 points if they're happy and outgoing when they/if open up to someone
-is withdrawn and quiet; antisocial, often meant to be mysterious
-is cold and unfeeling
-is calm, collected, and calculating
-has your own personality or something nearly identical to it
-has a mental disorder
- Cry
-is a stereotypical tomboy, if female
-is evil, often stereotypically so or bad just for the sake of being bad
-is stereotypically insane; chaotic, emotionally volatile, delusional, etcetera
-has an alternate personality; often influences or takes over a character for periods of time
-is supposed to be a cunning manipulator (typically female)
-puts on a facade of innocence

-has two or more of those personality traits.

Hah! Didn't hit a single one. Cheesy Mostly because she's, I hope, fairly realistic personality wise. She's no big hero for certain, and certainly not evil, or overly good. The only fascade of innocence she'd ever put on would be very temporary, and only if it got her out of immediate danger... or if someone quizzed her on where their belongings got to and why her skirt had a rather large stolen objects shaped bulge at the back.

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orientation
-is gay
-is bisexual

Only one I so far outright disagree with. Refusing to take any points for this.

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appearance
-appears to be an age which they actually are not
-is notably attractive; beautiful, shapely, well-built, etcetera
-is 'terrifying' or overwhelmingly frightening
-wears revealing, scant, or otherwise sexy clothing
-has blue or green eyes, or eyes of an unusual color
-has hair of an unusual color

Okay so that's 1 point for age which they're not but it's never stated in her profile what age she is or looks like, only that she's slight framed and a bit short. Also... blue OR green eyes? What? They're totally legitimate eye colours. D:

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occupation, livelihood, or general means of living
-is a slave
-is just wealthy; doesn't have to do anything
-has no job, or is a mysterious drifter
-is a mercenary, hitman or assassin
-is a government agent, or works for a similar organization
-is a dancer
-owns or manages a major business, corporation, facility, etcetera

Again, no points. :3 She technically has no job, and IS a drifter, but does planeswalker realllly count towards that? She basically steals, or works for what she has. Or begs for it. Either or. She's not above such things.

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background and story
-came from a village
-came from a place that has since been destroyed or no longer exists
-has amnesia
-has deceased parents
-is a 'chosen one' or otherwise involved in some grand destiny
-was an experiment, either created or modified
-is out for revenge against someone
-ran away
-lived out on the streets
-became a slave at some point
-came from a wealthy or high-class home
-has a rough history they don't like to talk about
-was an uncontrollable, evil, or powerful child, or any combination of those things
-killed their own parents or siblings in an act meant to seem vile and unthinkable
Wow, jesus. ahahah. Came from a village earns a point? Lived out on the streets?
Her family life and past was pretty normal. more or less. She just said 'okay! Bye folks! Going on a trip!' aaaand never came back.


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traits
-has eyes that change colors; 2 points if corresponding to mood or emotion
-has eyes that are different colors
-has eyes that glow
-has a noticeable aura which encourages a particular feeling in others, or radiates something (anger, holiness, evil, etcetera)
-is some sort of genius or prodigy
-has a mind that drives anyone attempting to probe it insane, or inflicts trauma on them
-lacks a weakness they should or would normally have
-has a spirit, consciousness, or other entity which shares their body or mind
-is immortal; ageless

-has two or more of those traits.
Woo hoo, no on all counts. Cheesy


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powers, abilties, and skills
-has one or more elementally themed powers (fire, ice, water, darkness, etcetera)
Quoted the only one that could possibly count, but that's only because ONE of her powers is basically Fireball, but it can be 'charged' as it were for tiny, fast projectiles of flame, or slower moving, very explosive huge balls of fire. She loves fire and explosions. That IS her only fire based power mind you. soooo... gonna go with 0 points for that.

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possessions
-has a dagger/knife, or several
-has a scythe
-has a katana, or several
-has a firearm or several (often extensively detailed); 2 points for desert eagles
-has a legendary or considerably powerful magical weapon
-has a cool car, bike, or other vehicle
-has something very ornate or with several precious materials
-has an object with unknown or mysterious capabilities
So far, no on all counts. Unless she manages to steal any.

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misc
-is actually an official or otherwise published character belonging to a series, setting etcetera which does not belong to you and you did not create; a clone character.

nope.avi

so, total of 3 points.

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You subtract one point if your character...

race
-is some sort of monster such as a vampire or werewolf which possesses powers and weaknesses attributed to them by classic folklore
-is a member of a race which you created yourself, though the race is subject to standards and must prove not to be mary sue-y itself

nopes.

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age
-looks 30 or older; an adult or elderly person
-has an unusual relationship with time

nopes. Though interested in what 'unusual relationship with time' means.

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personality and mind
-has a mental disability which genuinely inhibits them in some way, is played out correctly and used as something more than a fast and easy way to try and add interesting quirks or features to a personality
-has a phobia that meets all of the criteria outlined for mental disabilities
-has facades or fronts the player knowingly uses; the character itself tries to act or look a certain way, rather than the player trying to force that perception on other characters
-has their own beliefs and opinions of the world, worked out by the player, which can evolve as events happen

Wow okay, so that's -1 for phobias. She's TERRIFIED of Dogs. Yes I know it's mostly played for laughs, but her pathological fear of Dogs does basically mean she can't function around them and will just run like fuck. Also her fear of 'The Head' is basically this too. despite said entity not existing in the keep seeing as i haven't brought it over. Basically it's meant to be an otherworldly eldrich horror type of entity so I haven't counted that in these points. Just the dogs one.

Regarding beleifs and opinions, she truly beleives that heroes are all frauds, and is more likely to trust a villain in their motives than a so called 'hero'. Anybody who would outright call themselves a hero is probably just lying. Then again anybody calling themselves a 'villain' is probably a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic. She also beleives that rules and laws are largely for chumps. She's, as I said, no hero, and certainly not a 'good guy' in the clichéd sense. She's not a heartless monster or a jerk either. She's just looking out for number 1 because when you travel between many universes and realities on a daily basis, it gets kind of hard to always look out for everyone else around you, and soon you'll find there's no time left for yourself.

Thaaat's pretty much a summary of her motivations. She just wants to explore the various universes, have a great time, sample all the various delicacies and sweets and teas and alcoholic beverages, find awesome treasures, and generally be successful in that. Maybe at some point she'll go home and give her family some of those riches. After all, Family is important to her too.

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appearance
-has brown eyes
-wears armor/clothing that covers the midriff, chest, thighs etcetera
-is described as plain or average; may be somewhat cute or charming
-is ugly. Genuinely "christ on crackers--was her father an orc?" ugly
-is chubby or overweight*

*if your character is a furry or anthro, you can not get the benefit of this option.

Okay, another -1 for brown eyes I guess but I'm not taking it because normal eye colours shouldn't in general affect this.

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occupation, livelihood, general means of living
-works at a convenience store, or virtually any other mundane, possibly unappealing job
-is decidedly unemployed and has no reliable means of getting money or exchanging services

another -1 because yes, she has no reliable means of getting money. If she happens across treasure, she'll probably try and steal it but that'll probably get her into trouble. So chances are her ever present laziness will prevent her from doing so if it's not really WORTH it. So yeah, flat broke normally. And no she WON'T sell any of the fine things she keeps in her little dimensional pocket. Those are prized personal posessions (yes I'm aware that's really silly to keep a fine china and sterling silver tea service around with you in a dimensional pocket, but that's just the kind of person she is. Smiley ).

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traits
-has a physical/physiological disability, such as a bad knee, blindness, an amputated limb, weak immune system, etcetera, which is not easily compensated for by another trait or power/ability
nope.avi.

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powers and abilities
-has no powers or superhuman abilities; plain normal
-derives them from or explains them using a thought-out/researched, real world/fictional system of beliefs or mechanics
-avoids or genuinely dislikes using them
-receives injury or trauma from using them, which is at or can reach dangerous levels
nope. though nice countersue points.

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possessions
-has a first aid kit, or some sort of medical supplies
-has mace/pepper spray
-has a currency balance you keep track of
-uses a bicycle for transport

If she ever got any currency yes she would have a currency balance. Bicycle for transport? That's a neat idea.

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Results time!

1 point: Don't sweat it. Sure, in TK you're already treading the edge at a single point, but it's most likely not that bad.
2 points: uh oh.
3 points: Start over. With everything.
4+ points: Take creative writing classes. Elevate your standards. Stop being 15 years old.

0 points: Hey, your character is not awful. You can come to the pool.
-1 point: You can use the towels that have animals on them.
-2+ points: Hookers. Hookers and a *demonoid account.

*Not really.


Hahaha holy shit 0 points total so far.

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profile
-has an anime picture
-has a picture with a figure that is scantily clad, outright nude, or suggestive
-is meant to look like a computer database, or file
-has a section which is added but intentionally left empty or not actually answered
-is styled as an interview; 2 points if your character intimidates, frightens, kills or generally has an attitude towards the interviewer
-contains song lyrics or poetry. If that's all, it's not too long and decidedly pertains to the character, it's probably alright.
-has a theme song
-is a character profile and contains many quotes
-quotes that are of or heavily involve yourself
-heavy thesaurus usage
-obscure or unusual color names ('chocolate fudge', 'pale obsidian', and the like)

This is pretty much what I got after a few hours of recollection and profile scanning. I know certain sections can definitely be expanded. The list will grow in scope, in precision, and in power. It cannot be stopped.

lol, still 0 points. Cheesy
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« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2011, 07:18:35 AM »

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What about an entire playlist of theme songs? It was only done to criticize and shed light on how ridiculous theme songs are, I swear!  Undecided

On that note... SilverStreak hits about a 10 on this scale...

Matt`Knight, about a -2

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« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2011, 07:30:06 AM »

got a bit of feedback. I'll modify the main post in a while to clarify a few things.

Eye colors. Things like green eyes are fairly ordinary. They're on the list because they're very common, though. "What color can I give them that's different, but not silly? Ah! Green."

I also realize now that I need to emphasize the second section. You're probably likely to have two or three points from the first section--automatically a failing score--but they can all be justified by solid reasoning or writing. It's vital you recognize that and bring it to light. It's impossible for me to predict or include many options that people will likely have to redeem characters, so the second section will remain insufficient even if I expand it.

Strange relationship with time was a random tidbit I threw in. Inspired by the Fae of Dark Ages: Fae, who have a more relativistic sense of time where focus can cram months into seconds, or thoughtlessness can let half a year slip by. Something like that can redeem a character being very old or young.

I'll probbly toss in "-has a theme song; 2 points for several songs or a playlist" next time.
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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2011, 08:35:02 AM »

A lot of this seems really dumb. "You play a character that's a general concept used a thousand times before? -2 DKP." (Unless you run the char off whatever pre-approved "folklore" the Keep apparently uses, then only 1 point)
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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2011, 09:33:52 AM »

Meh, I think every one of my characters probably ranks at least 2+ if not 4+.

On the other hand, fuck it if I enjoy playing it an people will play with me, imma do it. These always fail to point out that you can do bad sounding character concepts well, its just...unlikely.
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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2011, 10:42:54 AM »

Another quick observation rooted in my personal opinion:

The "Unique" character concept of TK and its affiliate realms seems to perfectly align with the concept of a real life "Mary Sue."

Personally, I'd be goddamned if I ever role played a middle-aged man who's in the midst of a mid-life crisis and rides a bicycle.  I'll be doing that in about 30 years or so, anyway, so in this respect it would behoove me to simply enjoy my arguably overpowered -albeit meticulously well conceptualized- archmage for the time being.

In other words, playing a character that strives to set itself too far apart from the perceived TK mainstream threatens to become dreadfully mundane; it's fun to play shit you can't be in real life.

But yeah, while I might have constructed a considerably different 'litmus test' for these alleged Mary Sues, I definitely like the amount of thought that Bane put into this.  Nifty idea, good sir.
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« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2011, 12:07:12 PM »

Well, dear chaps, I've currently got the highest score, so far as I know.

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name
None.
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race
-is elven, or drow
One
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age
-is anywhere from centuries to thousands of years old*
One? Auvic is 200+.
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personality and mind
-is shy or introverted; 2 points if they're happy and outgoing when they/if open up to someone
-is withdrawn and quiet; antisocial, often meant to be mysterious
-is cold and unfeeling
-is calm, collected, and calculating
-has your own personality or something nearly identical to it
-is evil, often stereotypically so or bad just for the sake of being bad
-is supposed to be a cunning manipulator (typically female)
-puts on a facade of innocence
Eight!
Introverted, yes. Withdrawn/antisocial, definitely. He doesn't like talking much.
Cold/unfeeling? "I don't give two shits about you" probably falls under this.
Calm/collected/calculating? Yeah, pretty much.
Has my personality? Close/what I wish I could be, sometimes :<
Evil? "Honestly, you were the closest living thing to set on fire." I figure that's under "for the sake of being bad."
Cunning manipulator? Dunno, ask Flamme. I'll give myself a point just in case.
Facade of innocence? Not entirely sure how you could operate as a pseudo-evil character without one, but I'll give myself a point here, too.
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appearance
None.
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occupation, livelihood, or general means of living
Also none.
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background and story
-has deceased parents
-lived out on the streets
-has a rough history they don't like to talk about
-was an uncontrollable or powerful child, or both
-was a sadistic or otherwise evil child; 2 points if they killed their parents, a sibling, etcetera
Six!
Parents dead? Yes.
Lived on streets? Was a beggar, so yes.
Rough history? Was a beggar, killed other children. I think that's also yes.
Powerful child? Powerful enough to kill other children, so probably yes. Point just in case.
Evil child? Killed parents, so yes. Not sure if this really counts, given Drow status, etc, but I'll give myself a point in case, again. (And a bonus point!)
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traits
None.
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powers, abilties, and skills
-uses 'magic' that comes from a video game or is ill-described; consists of vague words or gestures[/b]
-is very, very powerful (archmage, demi-god, ancient horror, or stereotypical arena character)[/b]
-is immune to mind-reading
Three!
Magic from the not-very-ill-described game of DnD, though it definitely consists of vague words and gestures. Point.
Very powerful? Dunno. Archmage? Technically. Point.
Immune to mindreading? Enchanted circlet, so yes.
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possessions
-has a dagger/knife, or several
-has something very ornate or with several precious materials
-has an object with unknown or mysterious capabilities
Three!
Carries a knife. He can't really swing large weapons, so. Point!
He's got a pouch of black opals. Probably counts for "several precious materials". Point.
Object with unknown/mysterious capabilities? To him? Not so much. To anyone else? Probably - he's a wizard, and he does weird things while waggling his fingers. Point, just in case.
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misc
Not quite. Influenced by Jarlaxle, but not a copy by any means.

Total: 22 points. /flex

Minus point section!

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None. I was tempted to call Drow part of folklore, but that's a lie.
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age
-looks 30 or older; an adult or elderly person
One.
He's pretty old, for an elf.
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personality and mind
-has facades or fronts the player knowingly uses; the character itself tries to act or look a certain way, rather than the player trying to force that perception on other characters
-has their own beliefs and opinions of the world, worked out by the player, which can evolve as events happen
Two!
Ask, sometime, for Monsieur Cuvia.
Beliefs that evolve with events? Definitely.
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appearance
-wears armor/clothing that covers the midriff, chest, thighs etcetera
One!
Very wizard-ly robes. Duh.
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occupation, livelihood, general means of living
Nope.
Owns his own little booth, but it's hardly mundane.
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traits
Nope.
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powers and abilities
-derives them from or explains them using a thought-out/researched, real world/fictional system of beliefs or mechanics
One!
So I guess maybe DnD falls under this category. Eh, oh well.
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possessions

Results time!
Total: 18!
4+ points: Take creative writing classes. Elevate your standards. Stop being 15 years old.
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-has a section which is added but intentionally left empty or not actually answered
The "Affiliations" section of the profile is intentionally empty.

Final score:
19.

So I, uh, suppose I should go commit suicide right about now.
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« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2011, 12:34:32 PM »

I got a negative two....
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« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2011, 01:02:08 PM »

name
-has a japanese or japanese-sounding name; 2 points if your character has a japanese name but nothing to do with japan
-is an unusual alternate spelling of a pre-existing name ('mykel')
-has a name consisting of a word or words (Darkheart, ShadowLord, etc)
-is 'nameless'; it's forgotten, never told, or does not exist

(F): 0
(N): 0
(S): 0

race
-is a vampire
-is a demon
-is elven, or drow
-is an angel; 2 points if 'fallen'
-is a furry or nonfurred anthro
-is the only one of its kind, ever or remaining
-is 'unknown'
-is a catgirl, or a human with features of another creature (but not strong enough to be an anthro)
-is a wolf
-is a dragon
-is a personification of an emotion, virtue/sin, deity, etcetera
-is supposed to be some major religious figure, or related; satan, or the son thereof, etcetera
-is an experimental creation or modified being, be it scientific, arcane, whatever (super-soldiers included)
-is some sort of rampaging, fearsome, destructive or dangerous monster/terror
-is something inhumanly strange; a disembodied entity, an amorphous blob, an orb of light, etc

(F)(N) - Human.
(S) - a damn alien of a race I made up that will get more development eventually. If Stell's a furry/anthro, so are Ewoks and Wookies.

(F): 0
(N): 0
(S): 0

age
-is in their teens to twenties†
-is anywhere from centuries to thousands of years old*
-is outrageously ancient; many thousands to millions to eons*
-is an unknown age, or 'so old the character/everyone forgot'

*exception: if ancient, you do not need to take the former option.
†Age is relative to your character's race. Take this if they're the equivalent of teens/twenties or have the same typical mindset

(F): 0
(N): 0
(S): 0

personality and mind
-is meant to look tough, or tries to
-is shy or introverted; 2 points if they're happy and outgoing when they/if open up to someone (S) +1
-is withdrawn and quiet; antisocial, often meant to be mysterious
-is cold and unfeeling
-is calm, collected, and calculating
-has your own personality or something nearly identical to it
-has a mental disorder
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-is a stereotypical tomboy, if female
-is evil, often stereotypically so or bad just for the sake of being bad
-is stereotypically insane; chaotic, emotionally volatile, delusional, etcetera
-has an alternate personality; often influences or takes over a character for periods of time
-is supposed to be a cunning manipulator (typically female)
-puts on a facade of innocence

While Ninel skins animals and hunts, she puts make up on, and tomboys don't do that.

(F): 0
(N): 0
(S): 1

appearance
-appears to be an age which they actually are not
-is notably attractive; beautiful, shapely, well-built, etcetera
-is 'terrifying' or overwhelmingly frightening
-wears revealing, scant, or otherwise sexy clothing
-has blue or green eyes, or eyes of an unusual color*
-has hair of an unusual color*

*Obviously dependent on race; for a drow, white hair is ordinary. For an orc it would be pretty unusual.

occupation, livelihood, or general means of living
-is a slave
-is just wealthy; doesn't have to do anything
-has no given job, or is a mysterious drifter
-is a mercenary, hitman or assassin
-is a government agent, or works for a similar organization
-is a dancer
-owns or manages a major business, corporation, facility, etcetera

Bank robber doesn't fit into those
Hahaha.

(F): 0
(N): 0
(S): 1

background and story
-came from a village, tribal camp, etcetera
-came from a place that has since been destroyed or no longer exists
-has amnesia
-has deceased parents (F) +1
-is a 'chosen one' or otherwise involved in some grand destiny
-is out for revenge against someone
-ran away from home
-lived out on the streets
-became a slave at some point
-came from a wealthy or high-class home
-is a prince or princess
-has a rough history they don't like to talk about
-was an uncontrollable or powerful child, or both
-was a sadistic or otherwise evil child; 2 points if they killed their parents, a sibling, etcetera

(F): 1
(N): 0
(S): 1

traits
-has eyes that change colors; 2 points if corresponding to mood or emotion
-has eyes that are different colors
-has eyes that glow
-has a noticeable aura which encourages a particular feeling in others, or radiates something (anger, holiness, evil, etcetera)
-is some sort of genius or prodigy
-has a mind that drives anyone attempting to probe it insane, or inflicts trauma on them
-lacks a weakness they should or would normally have
-has a spirit, consciousness, or other entity which shares their body or mind
-is immortal; ageless

(F): 1
(N): 0
(S): 1

powers, abilties, and skills
-has one or more elementally themed powers (fire, ice, water, darkness, etcetera)
-has healing powers
-uses 'magic' that comes from a video game or is ill-described; consists of vague words or gestures
-is very, very powerful (archmage, demi-god, ancient horror, or stereotypical arena character)
-has telepathy or superhuman empathy*
-is immune to mind-reading
-has the ability to seduce or otherwise charm characters in a supernatural fashion
-shapeshifting (S) +1 Except it's not all that powerful and it's not really that impressive to turn into a slobbering bear. And it's normal for the race
-is very fast
-has superhuman strength and/or constitution
-wields two or more weapons simultaneously
-can transform or has an alternate form
-controls energy (electricity, kinetic energy, etcetera)
-can control or transmute matter, often on a molecular or atomic scale
-is psionic
-has abilities taken from or modeled after those in the Naruto world
-uses chi/ki or similar vital energies
-cannot or has difficulty controlling or otherwise using their powers
-has considerable hand-to-hand combat skills or better
-has a final or secret attack or technique, or several

*empathy is a basic psychological function, not a power.

(F): 1
(N): 0
(S): 2

possessions
-has a dagger/knife, or several
-has a scythe
-has a katana, or several
-has a firearm or several (often extensively detailed); 2 points for desert eagles
-has a legendary or considerably powerful magical weapon
-has a cool car, bike, or other vehicle
-has something very ornate or with several precious materials
-has an object with unknown or mysterious capabilities

Ninel and Fern have guns, Stell has a combat knife, except they don't have them on their person at all times which I'm assuming is what this meant.

(F): 1
(N): 0
(S): 2

misc
-is actually an official or otherwise published character belonging to a series, setting etcetera which does not belong to you and you did not create; a clone character.

   Whew. Alright, done with that part, but we're not done yet! In fairness and out of respect for originality, here is a second section which recognizes good qualities. You subtract the points of this section from whatever you accumulated in the previous one. I cannot possibly list every good or redeeming feature, so you may likely have ones not mentioned below or you might outright disagree with what I suggested. In that case, you should probably get some outside opinions on options and see if they matter.

You subtract one point if your character...

race
-is some sort of monster such as a vampire or werewolf which possesses powers and weaknesses attributed to them by classic folklore
-is a member of a race which you created yourself, though the race is subject to standards and must prove not to be mary sue-y itself (S) -1

(F): 1
(N): 0
(S): 1

age
-looks 30 or older; an adult or elderly person (F) -1 (N)-1 (S)-1
-has an unusual relationship with time

(F): 0
(N): -1
(S): 0


personality and mind
-has a mental disability which genuinely inhibits them in some way, is played out correctly and used as something more than a fast and easy way to try and add interesting quirks or features to a personality
-has a phobia that meets all of the criteria outlined for mental disabilities
-has facades or fronts the player knowingly uses; the character itself tries to act or look a certain way, rather than the player trying to force that perception on other characters
-has their own beliefs and opinions of the world, worked out by the player, which can evolve as events happen (S) -1

CP isn't even technically a mental disorder.

(F): 0
(N): -1
(S): -1

appearance
-has brown eyes
-wears armor/clothing that covers the midriff, chest, thighs etcetera (F) -1 (N) -1 (S) -1  Slutty clothes make me vomit.
-is described as plain or average; may be somewhat cute or charming (S) -1
-is ugly. Genuinely "christ on crackers--was her father an orc?" ugly
-is chubby or overweight* (S) -1

*if your character is a furry or anthro, you can not get the benefit of this option.

(F): -1
(N): -2
(S): -4

occupation, livelihood, general means of living
-works at a convenience store, or virtually any other mundane, possibly unappealing job (N) -1 (S) -1
-is decidedly unemployed and has no reliable means of getting money or exchanging services

Ninel works at IHOP when she's not skinning animals and Stell checks books out and puts returned ones away

(F): -1
(N): -3
(S): -5

traits
-has a physical/physiological disability, such as a bad knee, blindness, an amputated limb, weak immune system, etcetera, which is not easily compensated for by another trait or power/ability

I think Stell is a fucking idiot. Does that count?

powers and abilities
-has no powers or superhuman abilities; plain normal (F) -1 (N) -1
-derives them from or explains them using a thought-out/researched, real world/fictional system of beliefs or mechanics
-avoids or genuinely dislikes using them
-receives injury or trauma from using them, which is at or can reach dangerous levels

(F): -2
(N): -3
(S): -4

possessions
-has a first aid kit, or some sort of medical supplies (N) -1
-has mace/pepper spray (N) -1
-has a currency balance you keep track of
-uses a bicycle for transport

(F): -2
(N): -5
(S): -4

Results time!

1 point: Don't sweat it. Sure, in TK you're already treading the edge at a single point, but it's most likely not that bad.
2 points: uh oh.
3 points: Start over. With everything.
4+ points: Take creative writing classes. Elevate your standards. Stop being 15 years old.

0 points: Hey, your character is not awful. You can come to the pool.
-1 point: You can use the towels that have animals on them.
-2+ points: Hookers. Hookers and a *demonoid account.

*Not really.

If you got a poor score and think this is unbalanced, it's actually not. I just hate you, and you deserve to be hated. Go ahead and line up the options you checked and read them back to yourself. You'll hate yourself too.

Bonus round! Profiles! They don't technically impact the originality of your character but god damn do people really need to stop doing a lot of these things. Actually, new rule: if you had a score of 3 or more, you also add any of the following that your character's profile qualifies for to your total score, which just makes you a terrible person, really.

profile
-has an anime picture
-has a picture with a figure that is scantily clad, outright nude, or suggestive
-is meant to look like a computer database, or file
-has a section which is added but intentionally left empty or not actually answered
-is styled as an interview; 2 points if your character intimidates, frightens, kills or generally has an attitude towards the interviewer
-contains song lyrics or poetry. If that's all, it's not too long and decidedly pertains to the character, it's probably alright.
-has a theme song
-is a character profile and contains many quotes
-quotes that are of or heavily involve yourself
-heavy thesaurus usage
-obscure or unusual color names ('chocolate fudge', 'pale obsidian', and the like)

This is pretty much what I got after a few hours of recollection and profile scanning. I know certain sections can definitely be expanded. The list will grow in scope, in precision, and in power. It cannot be stopped.


Fern(F): -2
Ninel(N): -5
Stell(S): -4

I'm pretty sure Ninel's not a hooker.
Stell...
... No comment.

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« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2011, 03:08:54 PM »


Final score:
19.

So I, uh, suppose I should go commit suicide right about now.

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« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2011, 05:10:19 PM »

I would like to point out that Mary Sue tests are by far, not 100% accurate. There's a lot of awesome characters that would score shittons of points on them, but they're well developed characters that aren't are obviously not Mary Sues. AKA they suffer the consequences of their actions, learn from their mistakes, aren't perfect at everything, behave like what they are, and not like humans, etc. Also, I'm detecting a bit of bias, considering he covers nearly every race aside for humans and piles of sl--oh wait, he got that too.

Either way, a A for effort and a B+ for execution. Needs a bit more breathing room in my opinion though.

Edit: My alarm bells generally start to go off not at the collection of things, but rather, certain combinations. To each their own though.
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« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2011, 05:30:07 PM »

name
-has a japanese or japanese-sounding name; 2 points if your character has a japanese name but nothing to do with japan

+1 point. Kade is pronounced like "Wade" with a K, but that's Nexxus' version of Americanization at play. It's "Kah-day" where he comes from, which to me sounds Japanese-ish.

race
-is supposed to be some major religious figure, or related; satan, or the son thereof, etcetera

+1 points. Kade is a Solar Exalt. A chosen of the Unconquered Sun. He almost literally has a piece of this supreme deity inside him, making him sort of a religiously significant figure.

age
-is in their teens to twenties†

+1 point for Kade being in his twenties.

personality and mind
-is meant to look tough, or tries to
-has an alternate personality; often influences or takes over a character for periods of time

+2 points.  Kade is suuuch a tough guy. As for alternate personalities, in some rare situations Kade can go into what is called "throwback" where he taps into the memories and personalities of any one of the hundreds of people that were chosen by the Unconquered Sun to carry the same "shard" -- or individual fragment of the Unconquered Sun's power -- in their soul. Past lives, blah.

appearance
-is notably attractive; beautiful, shapely, well-built, etcetera
-is frightening or intimidating (not necessarily ugly), or can be easily

+2 points. Kade is quite handsome, and his anima power is pretty much just "appear terrifying."

occupation, livelihood, or general means of living
-is a mercenary, hitman or assassin

+1 point. Mercenary, even if he's almost never in it just for the money.

background and story
-is a 'chosen one' or otherwise involved in some grand destiny

+1 point. Kade is a Solar Exalt, so yeah, he's sort of a "chosen one."

traits
-is more intelligent or capable than an average member of their race

+1 point. Being an exalt allows one to grow beyond mortal limitations.

powers, abilties, and skills
-has superhuman strength and/or durability
-uses chi/ki or similar vital energies
-has considerable combat training (weapons or barehanded), or better

+3 points. Unusual strength, damn good durability. Exalts use essence, which is similar to chi, ki, mana, prana, spiritus, etc. As a Dawn caste Solar Exalt, Kade was pretty much chosen for the purpose of combat. Lots of training involved.

possessions
-has a dagger/knife, or several; often female
-has a firearm or several (often extensively detailed); 2 points for desert eagles
-has an object with unknown or mysterious capabilities

+3 Kade owns a knife, a firearm (even if he never uses it due to issues of depth perception), and has a few objects with odd/unresearched capabilities. The latter two were acquired in RP though. Not sure if that counts, but I'll just take the points.

Redeemers

personality and mind
-has their own beliefs and opinions of the world, worked out by the player, which can evolve as they navigate life circumstances

-1 point. Kade definitely changes his views over time. Wouldn't be a monomyth if he didn't.

traits
-has a physical/physiological disability, such as a bad knee, blindness, an amputated limb, weak immune system, etcetera, which is not easily compensated for by another trait or power/ability

-1 point. Kade is missing an eye, which makes depth perception an issue. Limited field of view too.

powers, abilities, skills
-avoids or genuinely dislikes using them

-1 point. He tries not to use essence unless he really has to.

possessions
-has a first aid kit, or some sort of medical supplies
-has a currency balance you keep track of

-2 points. Kade keeps healing potions on him almost all the time, and I do keep track of his currency. Often times I need to estimate, but eh, I try.
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Results? +11. Oww.
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« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2011, 07:36:13 PM »

I did my own main character, because I hate myself too. I made him when I was 16 or 17, so he retains several of the dumb features I gave him.

Bane

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+2 Name: Word name (alias), nameless
+1 Race: modified (arcane).
+1 Age: teens-twenties.
+2 Personality/Mind: Unfeeling/Apathetic, similar player personality (emphasizes sarcasm, mockery, being a jerk).
+3 Appearance: Attractive (3 dots in Charisma, so welp), revealing clothing (linen schenti), unusual eye color (yellow).
+1 Occupation: No given job.
+1 History: Literally does not have one prior to beginning of play. No one has ever asked in all the years I've used him either.
+2 Traits: Ageless (modified race), resists mind-reading/control (antimagic).
+7 Powers: Elemental (Earth [Sand/Mineral/Glass]) and vital force, transmute matter (Matter sphere Master), strength/durability, considerable (Better) arcane skills, powerful (not archmage status, but mastery of two spheres), fast learning (mid-twenties; Mastery of two spheres should be about mid-thirties to late forties)
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oh my god. i have failed at everything I stand for.

Actually here's a new one: History: he's died and come back to life. 21.

Redeemers:
Name: None.
Race: transformed himself through a lengthy arcane process, which I played out in its entirety -1.
Age: None.
Personality: Apathy works in with the rest of his personality, but I have no excuse for basing it on my own. -1.
Appearance: attractive (he enhanced it a little himself via Life) -1, revealing clothing (traditional garb and he doesn't really have anything to show off. armor irrelevant.) -1,  unusual eye color (yellow. Also with Life, but for no reason. None.)
Occupation: decidedly unemployed -1.
History: No, really, no excuse at all. resurrection was a very strange reincarnation plot among several of my own characters, but it was shitty so none.
Traits: ageless (Life. I've worked this out in his system/beliefs to a fair extent.) -1, mind reading/control resistance (as before, albeit with Prime) -1.
Powers: Elemental Earth and vital force (system: essentially identifies with and channels egyptian deity Geb) -2, transmute matter (Matter sphere; explained by system) -1, strength/durability (result of his modified form) -1, arcane skills (autodidact, but it's been gradual, so) -1, powerful (he's... no, I can't really justify this) none, fast learning (I was impatient; I always regret this sort of thing) none.
Possessions: Inappropriate section, will remedy later, but similar to bicycle: he walks everywhere or uses public transportation. -1
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Total: +8
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« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2011, 03:36:16 AM »

Word name: Bones (nickname)
Appearance: Can easily be frightening or intimidating - he's covered in scars with monster-bone prosthetics for a left arm and right leg. Grey-green eyes.
Occupation: is a mercenary, hitman or assassin - Former monster hunter; Guild serves as middleman or contractor, he kills monster, gets money.
Traits: is more capable than an average human - he hunted monsters for a living not too long ago. That takes a little something special.
PAS: considerable combat training - monster hunters don't get far otherwise.
subtotal: 6

Redeemers:
Appearance: Is pretty well-covered. Possibly qualifies as ugly - he's a tapestry of scars, with visible, slightly ghoulish prosthetic replacements for two limbs.
Occupation: He tells fortunes. Not the most reliable means of getting scratch. Good thing he's still got a little from his monster-hunting days - they weren't all that long ago, and he was decent at his job.
Traits: One eye is half-blind and he's missing two limbs - thus his prosthetics, which limit his abilities in fine manipulation. Prosthetics possibly make up for the missing limbs.
PAS: He's somewhere in his middle-to-late twenties, perhaps even early thirties; a monster-hunting career spanning 7-15 years (I don't really worry about age very much beyond a vague 'somewhere in this range') requires a lot of training over the years. He also keeps up his practice.
subtotal: 4

Overall: 2

hey, not too bad. Not a very complex character, though, so hey.
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« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2011, 05:17:02 AM »

A lot of this seems really dumb. "You play a character that's a general concept used a thousand times before? -2 DKP." (Unless you run the char off whatever pre-approved "folklore" the Keep apparently uses, then only 1 point)
you get a worse score from a checklist--made to measure how common the features of characters are--if your character's features are common. p. simple. 

I would like to point out that Mary Sue tests are by far, not 100% accurate. There's a lot of awesome characters that would score shittons of points on them, but they're well developed characters that aren't are obviously not Mary Sues. AKA they suffer the consequences of their actions, learn from their mistakes, aren't perfect at everything, behave like what they are, and not like humans, etc.
Yes. The idea is not that if you have anything or several things on the list you're automatically an awful writer. You can potentially justify any single cliche or combination thereof with good writing, which is what Redeemers are for. However the subject becomes complicated if I try to detail them too much; try to state factually and precisely what good writing is. This doesn't necessarily change if the taker consults others either, as those people might share similar, poor standards and views on writing. I'm not bold enough to go out and define the conditions myself (though I basically give some opinions as examples/suggestions.) It just becomes a pain in the ass to implement concisely and accurately.

Also, I'm detecting a bit of bias, considering he covers nearly every race aside for humans and piles of sl--oh wait, he got that too.
If it's common, it's there. Humans would be on it if they weren't essentially a universal default. I don't think it exactly covers everything, though.
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« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2011, 09:31:19 AM »

Let's see, let's run my Bagheera through this thingie. . .

Name: 0 - I know dudes with his name. Not surname, but oh well.

Race: 0 - Aside from being a Fera (that is a 'were<something>' from the (old) World of Darkness setting, he's hispanic, so nothin'
outside of the norm.

Age: 1 - 28 puts him  in his 'twenties' which I guess is worth a point? Okidokie~

Personality: 0 - While quiet, he's not really antisocial, just prefers listening to talking.

Appearance: 1 - He's handsome, but not like 'turn people's heads on the street' handsome. \ o /

Occupation: 0 - He's a low-tier P.I. Works more with taking pictures of cheating wives and finding runaways than uncovering huge conspiracies and what not.

Background: 0: Lower-Middle class background, nothin' special here.

Traits: 0 - Brown eyes, full weakness to all the negative things his type is vulnerable to. Nothin' special here.

Powers: 4 - Here's where all his points are gonna come from. In Homid he's just your typical reasonably fit dude (albeit remarkably coordinated), but but as a fera, he gets the typical 'primal-urge vs willpower' check to get NPCs straight outta their pants (1 point), he has shapeshifting (wereleopard, 1 point) which makes him very fast, gives him super-human strength (2). I'm torn on the barehanded/weapon training thing, but will err on the side of 'he relies more on being a goddamn wereleopard than major technical skill'
Possesions:1 - He carries a knife, as you never know when one will come in handy.
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Race: -1: As a fera, he's fully vulnerable to the standard bad things. Silver, fire, the attacks of other supernatural creatures, all of them are more than able to ruin his day.

Personality: -1 While he tries to keep a cool facade, at his core he's a werecat, and comes with a mercurial temperment that often gives him more grief than he'd otherwise have.

Appearance: -2 Brown eyes, black hair, full standard street clothes. -2

Occupation: 0
Traits: 0
Powers: -2 - I'd consider White Wolf's whole fera setting well enough 'researched' or unified in lore to count.  He also would prefer to stay in Homid, as it's much, much, much easier to both control and to simply interact with the world at large. You try dialing a phone asa  8 foot tall cat-behemoth.

Possessions: -3 - He carries a stun-gun, drives a Honda Civic, and never has more than $50 on him.

Total: -4. Not too shabby.

AND NOW FOR THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SPECTRUM:

Name: 0 (It's Chinese, not Japanese, so HAH)

Race: 2, should really be 3, but oh well.
Age: 0 - He's about middle aged for his race.

Personality: 2 - Goes out of his way to seem tough or intimidating (to the point of being parodical, really. Also stereotypically palm-chafing puppy kicking 'bwaaaaahahahahahahaha' evil ala Laharl)

Appearance: 0 - Kind of a surprise, there.

Occupation: 0 - Actually kind of surprised.

Background: 1 - Originated in a small forest-based village.

Traits: 0 - I'm amazed at this, actually.

Powers: 4 - EXTREME Power/Durability (He could stand toe-to-toe with, say, Ben Grimm and slug it out evenly), has a themed power-set best described as 'Disgaea', and has considerable combat training.

Possessions: +1 / Funnily enough, he doesn't carry around knives, scythes, or katanas, but does keep a handcannon on him (so +1).

REDEEMERS

Race: -1 -He suffers full damage from all effects that'd normally ruin his type's day. Cold Iron weapons, blessed objects, and the like.

Age: 0

Personality: -2 - While he puts on an air of 'smug businessman', he secretly has a raging temper that has ruined more of his plans than anything else. Also, Lawful Evil, so there's the ideology.

Apperance: -2, brown eyes and full clothes.
Traits: -1, He has only one eye, and thus suffers from limited depth perception and a pronounced blind-spot.

TOTAL: 4.

surprisingly low on the scale, for a FREAKIN' OVERLORD.
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« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2011, 04:39:49 PM »

I got a 40.
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name
-has a japanese or japanese-sounding name; 2 points if your character has a japanese name but nothing to do with japan
-is an unusual alternate spelling of a pre-existing name ('mykel')
-has a name consisting of a word or words (Darkheart, ShadowLord, etc)
-is 'nameless'; it's forgotten, never told, or does not exist

(F): 0
(N): 0
(S): 0

race
-is a vampire
-is a demon
-is elven, or drow
-is an angel; 2 points if 'fallen'
-is a furry or nonfurred anthro
-is the only one of its kind, ever or remaining
-is 'unknown'
-is a catgirl, or a human with features of another creature (but not strong enough to be an anthro)
-is a wolf
-is a dragon
-is a personification of an emotion, virtue/sin, deity, etcetera
-is supposed to be some major religious figure, or related; satan, or the son thereof, etcetera
-is an experimental creation or modified being, be it scientific, arcane, whatever (super-soldiers included)
-is some sort of rampaging, fearsome, destructive or dangerous monster/terror
-is something inhumanly strange; a disembodied entity, an amorphous blob, an orb of light, etc

(F)(N) - Human.
(S) - a damn alien of a race I made up that will get more development eventually. If Stell's a furry/anthro, so are Ewoks and Wookies.

(F): 0
(N): 0
(S): 0

age
-is in their teens to twenties†
-is anywhere from centuries to thousands of years old*
-is outrageously ancient; many thousands to millions to eons*
-is an unknown age, or 'so old the character/everyone forgot'

*exception: if ancient, you do not need to take the former option.
†Age is relative to your character's race. Take this if they're the equivalent of teens/twenties or have the same typical mindset

(F): 0
(N): 0
(S): 0

personality and mind
-is meant to look tough, or tries to
-is shy or introverted; 2 points if they're happy and outgoing when they/if open up to someone (S) +1
-is withdrawn and quiet; antisocial, often meant to be mysterious
-is cold and unfeeling
-is calm, collected, and calculating
-has your own personality or something nearly identical to it
-has a mental disorder
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-is a stereotypical tomboy, if female
-is evil, often stereotypically so or bad just for the sake of being bad
-is stereotypically insane; chaotic, emotionally volatile, delusional, etcetera
-has an alternate personality; often influences or takes over a character for periods of time
-is supposed to be a cunning manipulator (typically female)
-puts on a facade of innocence

While Ninel skins animals and hunts, she puts make up on, and tomboys don't do that.

(F): 0
(N): 0
(S): 1

appearance
-appears to be an age which they actually are not
-is notably attractive; beautiful, shapely, well-built, etcetera
-is 'terrifying' or overwhelmingly frightening
-wears revealing, scant, or otherwise sexy clothing
-has blue or green eyes, or eyes of an unusual color*
-has hair of an unusual color*

*Obviously dependent on race; for a drow, white hair is ordinary. For an orc it would be pretty unusual.

occupation, livelihood, or general means of living
-is a slave
-is just wealthy; doesn't have to do anything
-has no given job, or is a mysterious drifter
-is a mercenary, hitman or assassin
-is a government agent, or works for a similar organization
-is a dancer
-owns or manages a major business, corporation, facility, etcetera

Bank robber doesn't fit into those
Hahaha.

(F): 0
(N): 0
(S): 1

background and story
-came from a village, tribal camp, etcetera
-came from a place that has since been destroyed or no longer exists
-has amnesia
-has deceased parents (F) +1
-is a 'chosen one' or otherwise involved in some grand destiny
-is out for revenge against someone
-ran away from home
-lived out on the streets
-became a slave at some point
-came from a wealthy or high-class home
-is a prince or princess
-has a rough history they don't like to talk about
-was an uncontrollable or powerful child, or both
-was a sadistic or otherwise evil child; 2 points if they killed their parents, a sibling, etcetera

(F): 1
(N): 0
(S): 1

traits
-has eyes that change colors; 2 points if corresponding to mood or emotion
-has eyes that are different colors
-has eyes that glow
-has a noticeable aura which encourages a particular feeling in others, or radiates something (anger, holiness, evil, etcetera)
-is some sort of genius or prodigy
-has a mind that drives anyone attempting to probe it insane, or inflicts trauma on them
-lacks a weakness they should or would normally have
-has a spirit, consciousness, or other entity which shares their body or mind
-is immortal; ageless

(F): 1
(N): 0
(S): 1

powers, abilties, and skills
-has one or more elementally themed powers (fire, ice, water, darkness, etcetera)
-has healing powers
-uses 'magic' that comes from a video game or is ill-described; consists of vague words or gestures
-is very, very powerful (archmage, demi-god, ancient horror, or stereotypical arena character)
-has telepathy or superhuman empathy*
-is immune to mind-reading
-has the ability to seduce or otherwise charm characters in a supernatural fashion
-shapeshifting (S) +1 Except it's not all that powerful and it's not really that impressive to turn into a slobbering bear. And it's normal for the race
-is very fast
-has superhuman strength and/or constitution
-wields two or more weapons simultaneously
-can transform or has an alternate form
-controls energy (electricity, kinetic energy, etcetera)
-can control or transmute matter, often on a molecular or atomic scale
-is psionic
-has abilities taken from or modeled after those in the Naruto world
-uses chi/ki or similar vital energies
-cannot or has difficulty controlling or otherwise using their powers
-has considerable hand-to-hand combat skills or better
-has a final or secret attack or technique, or several

*empathy is a basic psychological function, not a power.

(F): 1
(N): 0
(S): 2

possessions
-has a dagger/knife, or several
-has a scythe
-has a katana, or several
-has a firearm or several (often extensively detailed); 2 points for desert eagles
-has a legendary or considerably powerful magical weapon
-has a cool car, bike, or other vehicle
-has something very ornate or with several precious materials
-has an object with unknown or mysterious capabilities

Ninel and Fern have guns, Stell has a combat knife, except they don't have them on their person at all times which I'm assuming is what this meant.

(F): 1
(N): 0
(S): 2

misc
-is actually an official or otherwise published character belonging to a series, setting etcetera which does not belong to you and you did not create; a clone character.

   Whew. Alright, done with that part, but we're not done yet! In fairness and out of respect for originality, here is a second section which recognizes good qualities. You subtract the points of this section from whatever you accumulated in the previous one. I cannot possibly list every good or redeeming feature, so you may likely have ones not mentioned below or you might outright disagree with what I suggested. In that case, you should probably get some outside opinions on options and see if they matter.

You subtract one point if your character...

race
-is some sort of monster such as a vampire or werewolf which possesses powers and weaknesses attributed to them by classic folklore
-is a member of a race which you created yourself, though the race is subject to standards and must prove not to be mary sue-y itself (S) -1

(F): 1
(N): 0
(S): 1

age
-looks 30 or older; an adult or elderly person (F) -1 (N)-1 (S)-1
-has an unusual relationship with time

(F): 0
(N): -1
(S): 0


personality and mind
-has a mental disability which genuinely inhibits them in some way, is played out correctly and used as something more than a fast and easy way to try and add interesting quirks or features to a personality
-has a phobia that meets all of the criteria outlined for mental disabilities
-has facades or fronts the player knowingly uses; the character itself tries to act or look a certain way, rather than the player trying to force that perception on other characters
-has their own beliefs and opinions of the world, worked out by the player, which can evolve as events happen (S) -1

CP isn't even technically a mental disorder.

(F): 0
(N): -1
(S): -1

appearance
-has brown eyes
-wears armor/clothing that covers the midriff, chest, thighs etcetera (F) -1 (N) -1 (S) -1  Slutty clothes make me vomit.
-is described as plain or average; may be somewhat cute or charming (S) -1
-is ugly. Genuinely "christ on crackers--was her father an orc?" ugly
-is chubby or overweight* (S) -1

*if your character is a furry or anthro, you can not get the benefit of this option.

(F): -1
(N): -2
(S): -4

occupation, livelihood, general means of living
-works at a convenience store, or virtually any other mundane, possibly unappealing job (N) -1 (S) -1
-is decidedly unemployed and has no reliable means of getting money or exchanging services

Ninel works at IHOP when she's not skinning animals and Stell checks books out and puts returned ones away

(F): -1
(N): -3
(S): -5

traits
-has a physical/physiological disability, such as a bad knee, blindness, an amputated limb, weak immune system, etcetera, which is not easily compensated for by another trait or power/ability

I think Stell is a fucking idiot. Does that count?

powers and abilities
-has no powers or superhuman abilities; plain normal (F) -1 (N) -1
-derives them from or explains them using a thought-out/researched, real world/fictional system of beliefs or mechanics
-avoids or genuinely dislikes using them
-receives injury or trauma from using them, which is at or can reach dangerous levels

(F): -2
(N): -3
(S): -4

possessions
-has a first aid kit, or some sort of medical supplies (N) -1
-has mace/pepper spray (N) -1
-has a currency balance you keep track of
-uses a bicycle for transport

(F): -2
(N): -5
(S): -4

Results time!

1 point: Don't sweat it. Sure, in TK you're already treading the edge at a single point, but it's most likely not that bad.
2 points: uh oh.
3 points: Start over. With everything.
4+ points: Take creative writing classes. Elevate your standards. Stop being 15 years old.

0 points: Hey, your character is not awful. You can come to the pool.
-1 point: You can use the towels that have animals on them.
-2+ points: Hookers. Hookers and a *demonoid account.

*Not really.

If you got a poor score and think this is unbalanced, it's actually not. I just hate you, and you deserve to be hated. Go ahead and line up the options you checked and read them back to yourself. You'll hate yourself too.

Bonus round! Profiles! They don't technically impact the originality of your character but god damn do people really need to stop doing a lot of these things. Actually, new rule: if you had a score of 3 or more, you also add any of the following that your character's profile qualifies for to your total score, which just makes you a terrible person, really.

profile
-has an anime picture
-has a picture with a figure that is scantily clad, outright nude, or suggestive
-is meant to look like a computer database, or file
-has a section which is added but intentionally left empty or not actually answered
-is styled as an interview; 2 points if your character intimidates, frightens, kills or generally has an attitude towards the interviewer
-contains song lyrics or poetry. If that's all, it's not too long and decidedly pertains to the character, it's probably alright.
-has a theme song
-is a character profile and contains many quotes
-quotes that are of or heavily involve yourself
-heavy thesaurus usage
-obscure or unusual color names ('chocolate fudge', 'pale obsidian', and the like)

This is pretty much what I got after a few hours of recollection and profile scanning. I know certain sections can definitely be expanded. The list will grow in scope, in precision, and in power. It cannot be stopped.


Fern(F): -2
Ninel(N): -5
Stell(S): -4

I'm pretty sure Ninel's not a hooker.
Stell...
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You know it doesn't count when you are the IRL representation of a histrionic piece of crap, IE-- a real live Mary-Sue....right?

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« Reply #21 on: August 06, 2011, 01:01:50 AM »

On Angelo!

Name: 0 Points as nothing applies.

Race: 0 points as once again nothing applies!

Age: 1 point as Angelo is a little over a hundred.

Personality and mind: 0 as nothing applies (in my opinion at least, others may say otherwise)

Appearance: 2 points as Angelo is older then he looks and…Ok, make it one points if Red eyes don’t count as a weird color, if they do (which I think they do) Two points.

Occupation, Livelihood, or general means of living: 2 points as Angelo Has been known to be a drifter, yet can also be considered a mercenary.

Background and Story: 3 points as Angelos parents are dead and the place he came from is destroyed, and he originally was an heir in his homeland.

Traits: 1 point as his eyes change in his different states of power.

Powers, abilities, skills: Ugh…5 points, wont try to explain @_@…

Possessions: 1 point, Angelo owns a firearm.

Misc: Plus 0 points as nothing applies!

16 points so far!

Redemable stuff:

Race: minus 2 points as Angelo is part of a race myself (and a friend) are creating and is in NO WAY mary sue ish, along with Angelo simply being human, which I consider a lesser race on TK…

Age: Minus 2 point as though Angelo is older then he looks, he still ages and eventually, with time given (unless he dies other ways) will die of old age, that and in my opinion he looks anywhere from twenty seven to thirty years old.

Personality and mind: Minus 2 points as Angelo has a…Minor phobia of Klondike bars which actually happened when he was hit in the head with one (by a pitcher for a baseball team no less) and has had a slight fear of them ever since, might sound silly but when he sees one he hides behind someone. That and I like to think he has facades he uses, some when he’s happy, when he’s sad…All of that.

Appearance: Minus 2 points as normally Angelo wears normal clothing and such, nothing flashy and isn’t the most Beautiful thing in the world (in my opinion at least, since I never describe him as being such).

Occupation: Minus 1 point as though I stated he is a drifter and can be considered a mercenary, does a Drifter really count as a job? That and the mercenary thing is RARE, really rare so…I think that applies.

Traits: minus 1 point as Angelo has a Bunch of scars from past battles and his left shoulder is actually smaller then his right one from getting fucked up so much.

Powers, abilities, skills: Minus 3 points, Angelo usually is left hurting after using his stuff, and really doesn’t like using his powers unless he has to, that and he was trained with his physical and magical abilities over a Long period of time.

Possessions: Minus 0 as nothing applies.

Misc: Minus 1 point as Angelo is goofy and such most of the time and happy and notes he talks to much even to himself…At least I think that counts.

-13 points from that!

Profile: This will probably be left up to debate, but for me I don’t consider Angelos picture an anime one, and though it has a FEW quotes, they aren’t all over the place. Then again I did take the profile ideal from someone, but it was for GOOD reason as I loved the format he (Xion) used, so no added points (in my opinion)…That and the songs I put in the link aren’t themes, just songs that kick ass.

+0 points (in my opinion) from profile stuff…

Total: 3, whoopee I am dandy!
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« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2011, 12:41:00 PM »

-is in their teens to twenties*
-appears to be an age which they actually are not
-has blue or green eyes
-came from a wealthy or high-class home
-was an uncontrollable or powerful child, or both
-has died and returned to life
-is immortal; ageless
-is calm, collected, and calculating
-is more intelligent or capable than an average member of their race
-has one or more elementally themed powers (fire, ice, water, darkness, etcetera)
-has healing powers
-is much stronger with, in control of, or skilled at their powers or abilities than most similar people are for their age; they learn very fast
-controls energy (electricity, kinetic energy, etcetera)
-has a cool car, cool bike, or other badass vehicle

-is a member of a race which you created yourself, though the race is subject to standards and must prove not to be mary sue-y itself
-has facades or fronts the player knowingly uses; the character itself tries to act or look a certain way, rather than the player trying to force that perception on other characters (such as in 'seems tough ...' under personality cliches)
-avoids or genuinely dislikes using them
-received training over an appropriate period of time for their skills from a mentor, academy, etcetera
-has mace/pepper spray, a taser, or some similar item for self defense

-has an anime picture

9-14 points: There is almost definitely something wrong here. Sure you got redemption?

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« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2011, 03:20:08 PM »

Let's do Nebuchadnezzar.

name
--

race

-is an experimental creation or modified being, be it scientific, arcane, whatever (super-soldiers included)



age
--


personality and mind
-is cold and unfeeling or apathetic
-is calm, collected, and calculating
-is supposed to be a cunning manipulator (typically female)


appearance
-appears to be an age which they actually are not
-is notably attractive; beautiful, shapely, well-built, etcetera




occupation, livelihood, or general means of living
-is just wealthy; doesn't have to do anything
(Does is count if she got wealthy by nefarious means?)


background and story

--

traits

-is some sort of genius or prodigy; abnormally skilled or talented (Guess that comes with being synthetic, so to speak)
-is immune to mind-reading, and/or mind-control


powers, abilties, and skills

-is very, very powerful (archmage, demi-god, ancient horror, or stereotypical arena character)
-controls energy (electricity, kinetic energy, etcetera)
-can control or transmute matter, often on a molecular or atomic scale


possessions
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Redeemers


race

-is a member of a race which you created yourself, though the race is subject to standards and must prove not to be mary sue-y itself
-is a standard member of some less common race; a minotaur, a troll, etcetera

age
-looks 30 or older; an adult or elderly person (I draw her to look 30-35ish.)
-has an unusual relationship with time


personality and mind
-has a mental disability which genuinely inhibits them in some way, is played out accurately and used as more than a fast and easy way to try and add interesting quirks or features to a personality
-has facades or fronts the player knowingly uses; the character itself tries to act or look a certain way, rather than the player trying to force that perception on other characters (such as in 'seems tough ...' under personality cliches)
-has an ideology, beliefs or interests which are notably different than the player's, portrayed without bias; trait of good roleplaying/writing

appearance

-wears armor/clothing that covers the midriff, chest, thighs etcetera



powers, abilities, skills

-derives them from or explains them using a thought-out/researched, real world/fictional system of beliefs or mechanics
-receives injury or trauma from using them, which is at or can reach dangerous levels
-received training over an appropriate period of time for their skills from a mentor, academy, etcetera


possessions

-has a currency balance you keep track of



1-3 points: Unless your character only has very few overall list items, don't sweat it. You're dandy.
4-8 points: You uh, you should probably look something over.
9-14 points: There is almost definitely something wrong here. Sure you got redemption?
15+ points: This is bad. Take creative writing classes. Elevate your standards. Stop being 15 years old.

0-(-2) points: Good job.
-3-(-6) points: Better job.
-7-(-10) points: You might be trying too hard, which puts you back in the positives. Bv



profile

-has a picture with a figure that is scantily clad, outright nude, or suggestive




Nebuchadnezzar scores an even 0. Not bad at all.
If I take the bonus, I get a 1. But, I'm known for drawing very slightly suggestive pictures. Can't help mahself.
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21:18:28 [Meedle] You're just like my ex friend. Stuck up black bitch who thinks she's all that in a bag of potato chips. Eurgh. <----ROFL.
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« Reply #24 on: November 09, 2011, 06:25:35 PM »

Name- Fenris

Race- Wolf based with a connection to a deific sort of concept and though not directly "created" his race was long ago. so I guess thats a 3

Age- 26 guess thats another 1

Personality- He's kinda unstable, obsessed with fighting, but has a weakness for female authority figures, really heavily influenced by his Id rather than his ego, so hes kinda unstable and acts like a dick in accordance. Umm I dont think that counts.

Appearence- Hes not GORGEOUS but attractive enough. Above average I guess. His eyes are usually brown but change to yellow when he shifts or shine in darkness but I dont think that counts as brown eyes are a de-suifyer however since thats gonna get - anyway 1.

Occupation- Mercenary guess thats another, he got a good amount of money from Silvermoonkingdom in storyline afew years back when he ran a merc guild, however when it disbanded he kept the cash as no one wanted to collect their paychecks, I dont think that counts and he barely spends any of it. I think thats a 1

History- Mom died at birth, dad was an asshole who he got killed. Was sorta a slave (gladiator/retainer) Has a rough history but doesnt dislike talking about it, just avoids whining as rough histories are pretty common. 2

Traits- eyes change colour to shine in darkness or when he shifts, other conciousness is bonded with his mind. 2

Abilities Can wield two weapons and is highly trained in combat, changes form, which gives him enhanced abilities and a "final attack" He learns "fast" but not ridiculously so and only at things related to combat and as I said not to the point where he can become a kung fu master in like afew weeks and he generally trains hard to improve himself i guess thats a 4

Possesions - has rare weapons but their not one of a kind.



redeemers-

Race- Fens kind are alchemically engineered chimeras that were made many years prior to his birth. I guess thats a -1

Personality- His Id is really strong and can make him act rashly and unflatteringly so, or in some cases putting him in bad situations general flaw. He does have facades and generally tries to hide his weaknesses, he has afew beliefs I dont share, and is generally more violent and spontaneous and of course around a strong assertive female hes pretty much butter (wHICH IS MUCH MORE INCONVENIENT THAN YOU MIGHT THINK.)  -3

Age- Ages normally -1

Appearence- Eyes are brown, wears clothing/armour that is for the most part pretty modest, isnt super attractive. -3

Occupation- yeah hes a merc but times is rough on nexxus so generally when he actually gets work its few and far between. -1

Traits- Meh

Abilities- Abilities based on alchemical concepts that i've tweaked a bit, he HAD a relatively normal catholic-school (comparible not literal) education and learned from a mentoresque character,generally prefers to fight using nothing but his skill in combat rather than the brute force his abilities allow and only uses them if he has too. -3


(Would like to note that being poor at their abilities would generally disqualify that as an ability so having that as a redeemer makes little sense to me.)


Possessions- Generally carries afew medical supplies in case things get out of hand when he practices with others (I dont see how that makes me less suish though.). -1


Overall: 1

Fancy that... gotta love dem redeemers.



That being said I still think its stupid to arbitrarily judge characters for not being over 30, not being morbidly obese, having tragic histories,being good at combat, or (heaven forbid) sharing traits with the player etc. The whole thing seems rather arbitrary. Im sick of cliche anime based vampire characters as much as the next guy, but everything is relative and just because they have a trait listed on here doesnt mean that they are black and white auto sueish as every characters background/format is relative to the story they come from. Just seems another scuse to be "holier than thou" and God knows theres enough of that on here.
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