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« Reply #75 on: August 18, 2011, 07:06:43 AM » |
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We could reduce that even further, to:
1) Don't be a dick.
But people would then call into contest what constitutes dickery, in what context dickery is allowed, to what extent dickery is allowed, if it's allowed between two consenting parties, and whether it's gay when the dicks touch or only up until the balls touch.
... Thus, the lengthy document.
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« Reply #76 on: August 18, 2011, 07:10:08 AM » |
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And if the rule would apply to females that have no dicks, too.
I think that's a bigger question than "Is it gay when dicks touch, or is balls touching enough to be gay?"
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« Reply #77 on: August 18, 2011, 08:00:00 AM » |
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Ya'll should write a straight forward AUP.
Welcome to The Keep. Nothing you say matters. Here are the rules. We enforce them as we see fit and there isn't dick you can do about it.
1.) Act a fool and we will ban you.
2.) Argue with us and we will ban you.
3.) Suck our dicks and we'll think about unbanning you.
4. ) Chimichanga.
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« Reply #78 on: August 18, 2011, 11:45:25 AM » |
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I voted no because of the fact that someone can quite clearly threaten another users life and it will be treated like it means nothing. Comments like "Keep talking shit and I will end your life." should be treated seriously if the rule against real life threats of violence is going to be included. I don't have an issue with it being said, but I do have an issue with SSS, Syn, Moondog, Gui and Familiar not saying a word about it while they all watched it happen. You could use the excuse that the person was trolling, or it was a heated debate lol, or that the other person didn't complain but none of those things really address the issue at hand. Before people start spouting mod corruption jokes I just want to clarify that I am pointing out the fact that they are a tight knit group of flakes, not any form of e corruption.
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« Reply #79 on: August 18, 2011, 11:57:53 AM » |
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Thats a tough one, YCR8. Some of the people I associate with are pretty brutal with each other in day to day conversation, a friendly "Go kill yourself, Vivi" would be laughed at by me and responded to in some form of kind. I'd be rather irked if one of my friends got banned for something that means nothing to me.
Of course it doesn't help that I'm of the camp "Its words on a screen" ...so pretty much no insults or 'threats' here bother me in the slightest.
That being said the "real life hate campaigns" are a different matter, as is the bit covered by "or make Real Life (RL) threats against another user" that you seem to miss that can cover users who feel they are actually being threatened, and has been used for such in the past that I've seen as well as the real life hate campaign part thats in the current AUP.
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« Reply #80 on: August 18, 2011, 12:03:26 PM » |
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I'm specifically addressing the "real life threats against other users" bit. Hate campaigns are common on this site. Also, I'd like to add to this that it was a deliberate attempt to upset someone, followed by several other threats of violence. This wasn't friendly aggressive joking. However mundane it may seem, it should be treated seriously.
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« Reply #81 on: August 18, 2011, 12:14:21 PM » |
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Do you have suggested changes to the language then? I honestly don't know how else to word it myself.
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« Reply #82 on: August 18, 2011, 12:15:09 PM » |
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Hate Campaigns and Threats are two different beasts. Just have to point that out.
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« Reply #83 on: August 18, 2011, 12:17:07 PM » |
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I think enforcing the rules instead of being flakes would be the first step.
Edit: Remove that bit entirely if it's not going to be upheld
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« Reply #84 on: August 18, 2011, 12:18:10 PM » |
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In that case, wouldn't it be best to add a clause that allows for threats of that sort to be made, so long as the target in question doesn't feel threatened? And should the target feel threatened in any way, a report to the mods would be enough to get someone to stop the other person?
I mean, it seems to me that that would take care of people who joke with "I'ma kill you" to their friends, and people who genuinely feel threatened. Especially 'cause a blanket "lol don't do this" might not really be necessary in this case.
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« Reply #85 on: August 18, 2011, 12:24:24 PM » |
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I think enforcing the rules instead of being flakes would be the first step.
So you're not against the new AUP you're against the current mods? Then why'd you vote no? |
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« Reply #86 on: August 18, 2011, 12:32:28 PM » |
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Because dicks like me exist, Auvic.
"Oh noes, X threatened Y!"
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« Reply #87 on: August 18, 2011, 04:41:30 PM » |
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I voted no because of the fact that someone can quite clearly threaten another users life and it will be treated like it means nothing. Comments like "Keep talking shit and I will end your life." should be treated seriously if the rule against real life threats of violence is going to be included. I don't have an issue with it being said, but I do have an issue with SSS, Syn, Moondog, Gui and Familiar not saying a word about it while they all watched it happen. You could use the excuse that the person was trolling, or it was a heated debate lol, or that the other person didn't complain but none of those things really address the issue at hand. Before people start spouting mod corruption jokes I just want to clarify that I am pointing out the fact that they are a tight knit group of flakes, not any form of e corruption.
Hmm, okay I'll bite (even though this has nothing to do with the AUP...) This is where the moderators face a double edged sword. If that other person you're referring to were completely serious about making threats against someone, and mods came down on him for it, he could still use the "I was just trolling/joking! Why did you ban me?? MOD KORRUPTION" defense, because, let's face it, you'd never be able to prove if he was serious or not, at least not in any infallible way. In such a case, it's just easier to tell the person getting the raw end to "man up" "grow a pair" or, more obviously "use /ignore," than it is to come down on any alleged "real life threats." I don't think they're being "flakes" so much as I think they're just trying to cause the least amount of fuss, which you can't really fault them for. This is, of course, assuming, your claim bears any legitimacy. I mean lets be honest, every other time a moderator flexes a mod muscle, people whine, bitch, and create threads that span 8 pages, so in your specific alleged case, inaction was just easier. Besides, unless you can prove anything beyond the shadow of a doubt, it's not worth pursuing. Innocent until proven guilty. Thems the breaks. Oh, also, FWIW, I was one of the so called "Freelancers," and some of my most significant contributions went to the rule pertaining to Real Life threats and Hate Campaigns. Oh, and in addition, FWIW, I have seen the bit about 'privacy' taken seriously and (presumably) acted upon. Also, @Auvic, amending the rule to draw the line where someone "feels threatened" is just an invitation for an even bigger problem. I could see it giving people license to twist explicitly benign statements into justifications for staff repercussions because it made them "feel threatened," despite the subject matter of the message being, say, kittens. EDIT: As it stands, if someone legitimately feels threatened, I suspect they're likely to report it. Let's not also forget that if another user on the internet really feels compelled to bring harm or damage to another individual, there's little that a perma-ban on the staff's part will do to ultimately stop that course of action, other than eliminate a possible means of correspondence. At that point the user really is facing an uphill struggle, and it would be difficult to determine where the staff's obligation to act on it ends. |
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RP is a hobby; it is nothing more and nothing less. It is comparable to scrapbooking, model-railroad, gardening, etc. It is a self-indulgent, nigh narcissistic practice that yields no tangible benefits to anyone in any real, practical applications, and serves little more than to justify the egos of those involved, and occasionally impress someone who is equally self-indulgent and narcissistic. Taking it too seriously is a waste of time.
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« Reply #88 on: August 18, 2011, 05:38:48 PM » |
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I don't think concern about "IRL threats" or "hate campaigns" means much coming from a guy who openly wished that: 11:40:56 [YC8] I hope the UK self destructs
11:42:01 [Lurkdom] heh. wankhead.
11:42:13 [Lurkdom] I do not. I've a good chunk of friends there.
11:43:35 [Bane] well if events continue to play out on the same course rusti will end up killing hundreds of looters with pieces of a desk, scaring the rest into submission
11:43:45 [YC8] Good
11:43:51 [YC8] I hope they die That said, there is such a thing as moderator discretion, and "threats" here are rather softball at any rate. Cause, capability, and vicinity all play a part because enforcing the rule against IRL threats is very serious business and the last thing we want to be doing is crying wolf to the cops because someone said they were going to kill someone else over the Internet when that person doesn't even live on the same subcontinent as the other person. |
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« Reply #89 on: August 18, 2011, 06:21:59 PM » |
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It seems that a reoccurring trend lately is people doing the very things they complain about.
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« Reply #90 on: August 18, 2011, 06:27:39 PM » |
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Only if "lately" encompasses "today, yesterday, and every day before that".
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« Reply #91 on: August 19, 2011, 06:04:43 AM » |
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This whole life threatening business seems to be a moot discussion to me. If it's in jest and good taste, NOTHING will happen.
If someone legitimately feels threatened they will more than likely bring it to the mods, who will in all probability ban the offender.
"Lawl your dead" to one of my friends pretty much assures that I'm not going to be banned. Because they won't have a beef and run off to go tell on me. And if I got banned for it, they'd pitch a bitch on my behalf to get me unbanned.
A serious threat on another users life won't be terribly difficult to make a legitimate case out of. The staff can handle that, I believe. When someone is sincerely making a user uncomfortable, or afraid for their well being, it's rather obvious. There's a whole separate mood and set of responses in the discourse that make pretty certain the severity of the situation.
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« Reply #92 on: August 19, 2011, 09:37:12 AM » |
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I tend to agree with Solum. Generally, even over the internet, there's a whole different vibe from someone who feels actually threatened (serious) versus someone that feels offended or hurt (not really anything but a personal problem that could be solved with /ignore)
Certain recurring members come to mind.
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« Reply #93 on: August 22, 2011, 08:10:32 AM » |
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Only if "lately" encompasses "today, yesterday, and every day before that".
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« Reply #94 on: August 22, 2011, 11:36:03 AM » |
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Only if "lately" encompasses "today, yesterday, and every day before that".
XDD Auvic for president. Forever. I'll be the opposing party's majority leader in congress and I'll never compromise with him. |
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« Reply #95 on: August 22, 2011, 12:43:16 PM » |
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I pledge to disagree for the sake of disagreeing. With everyone. Ever.
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« Reply #96 on: August 22, 2011, 01:57:47 PM » |
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I pledge to disagree for the sake of disagreeing. With everyone. Ever.
I agree, you should do this. |
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« Reply #97 on: August 22, 2011, 03:24:28 PM » |
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No.
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« Reply #98 on: August 22, 2011, 10:25:13 PM » |
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