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Ban doesn't bother me but check this politicing out!
« on: September 20, 2016, 03:33:53 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2016, 04:04:58 PM »

Tag yourself

I'm 'Liberal agenda wanna-be mobsters.'
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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2016, 04:10:33 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2016, 08:00:23 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2016, 10:36:56 PM »

I have a feeling I'm going to regret this, but as an Ombudsman, I'm going to respond.

First, Moondog actually does a lot of moderating. He's one of the staff members who is most often actually on tK, and I know you can't see the staff boards, but he's also one of the most active on those.

A) There is a log of the racial slur, and it is indeed a racial slur. If you disagree with the word's classification, I'd love to hear why, exactly.

B) Exactly what is being shown in the screenshot? Corban being promoted, then demoted, then promoted again, then...I guess you getting demoted? There is absolutely no context for that at all. Except that it's from literally more than a year ago. Even if it weren't, the lack of context is...kind of crippling, for whatever point you might be trying to make with it. Even with context, of course...there's kind of a running joke about mod corruption. Pretty much exclusively told when there is actually no corruption going on at all - because the staff, believe it or not, takes that shit seriously when it's actually happening. The promote/demote thing is a similar kind of joke, wherein people are given mod powers, then stripped of them before they can do anything. Ask Rusti. It means literally nothing, making the context-less screenshot feel even more like the lead-in to a brick joke. No politics involved.

C) I am completely lost on why people admitting that they're on medication has to do with the same people recommending that someone else be put on medication. I am speaking as someone on two prescriptions, with a significant other who is also going to be prescribed medicine probably in the next week or so. In fact, this entire post reminds me of rants I'd go on in the Guild Wars 2 forums before I was diagnosed with depression and prescribed some medication. Are you experiencing symptoms of depression? If so, you may want to see a doctor, and I say that with every intention of sincerity; I feel much better about basically everything these days. And go on far fewer rants. Can't say I like the implied insult about people on medication, though. That aside...you realize you're accusing the staff of a rinky-dink roleplaying chat site (that operates at a loss to the owner), who gain nothing no matter what their position aside from the ability to /kick higher up the chain of command, of somehow having criminal intentions, extorting people, and...somehow there's something to do with mobsters and tales of disembodied heads? You...you know how that sounds, right?

D) People rag on people. It's what people do. It's up to you how you react to it, and if you get trolled, it is to a certain extent your own fault for responding - the /ignore command exists for a reason, and if somebody gets around it in order to keep giving you shit, then they're in ban country. Personally, I've always found that the best way to dissuade people from bringing something up as an insult is to not respond to it. It's amazing how well it works, actually. Don't appreciate being trolled? Stop feeding the trolls. Ever met Von? Ginger virgin. Gives no shits. Handles it splendidly, and nobody gives him shit for it, because he's long since realized it doesn't actually matter unless he makes it matter, and has thus stopped caring.

E) Things not on tK are, with very, very few exceptions, not something somebody will be punished for on tK. This is how it's always been, as far as I'm aware - the only exceptions I can recall, in fact, are: 2 cases of child pornography in a url accessible via tK profiles, and 1 case of 'X is threatening to give pedophiles pictures of my kid.' These are things that could cause tK's servers to be seized, so an exception is made. Otherwise, policing other social media nodes is the business of the people who run those other nodes, if the users can't just handle it themselves. I'm personally rather confused why you even went along with Corban's "hey let's voicechat" thing. And why you have each other's Skypes and you hadn't blocked him or anything.

Speaking of Skypes - people who are permabanned had to be members of tK to be permabanned, even if they were only members for an hour before a staff member got wind that a cyberhound was trying to ebang everything. Some of them were around for much longer than others, and it used to be more common to get the moderator's contact information for various reasons. Also, Moondog has been a moderator for a long time - around six years. And he was a member of tK for years before that. Contact policies can change massively in that amount of time, and it's not like he would have wiped his Skype list when he got italics. Why would he have?

As for the mentions of criminal intention or...whatever the hell - what the fuck does anybody gain from literally anything here except for a cheap giggle because you never learned not to feed the trolls? There is no real power in literally any position on this site, no money is made - in fact, I'm fairly certain the site actually operates at a loss to Web, though he's consistently refused to sell it, so clearly it matters to him on a personal level. That's really about it. As far as your harassment case goes, best of luck...you choose to be here and not use the tools provided specifically to stop harassment (namely, reporting in-tK harassment to the staff, with logs demonstrating that you did /ignore and then the person went around it anyway).

If you come back to tK after your ban expires, I hope things go better for you on tK. If you don't, I still hope things go better for you, wherever you may go. But seriously. Take a step back, think a bit, and actually consider what you've said and how it even works.
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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2016, 11:53:27 PM »

I have a feeling I'm going to regret this, but as an Ombudsman, I'm going to respond.

First, Moondog actually does a lot of moderating. He's one of the staff members who is most often actually on tK, and I know you can't see the staff boards, but he's also one of the most active on those.

A) There is a log of the racial slur, and it is indeed a racial slur. If you disagree with the word's classification, I'd love to hear why, exactly.

B) Exactly what is being shown in the screenshot? Corban being promoted, then demoted, then promoted again, then...I guess you getting demoted? There is absolutely no context for that at all. Except that it's from literally more than a year ago. Even if it weren't, the lack of context is...kind of crippling, for whatever point you might be trying to make with it. Even with context, of course...there's kind of a running joke about mod corruption. Pretty much exclusively told when there is actually no corruption going on at all - because the staff, believe it or not, takes that shit seriously when it's actually happening. The promote/demote thing is a similar kind of joke, wherein people are given mod powers, then stripped of them before they can do anything. Ask Rusti. It means literally nothing, making the context-less screenshot feel even more like the lead-in to a brick joke. No politics involved.

C) I am completely lost on why people admitting that they're on medication has to do with the same people recommending that someone else be put on medication. I am speaking as someone on two prescriptions, with a significant other who is also going to be prescribed medicine probably in the next week or so. In fact, this entire post reminds me of rants I'd go on in the Guild Wars 2 forums before I was diagnosed with depression and prescribed some medication. Are you experiencing symptoms of depression? If so, you may want to see a doctor, and I say that with every intention of sincerity; I feel much better about basically everything these days. And go on far fewer rants. Can't say I like the implied insult about people on medication, though. That aside...you realize you're accusing the staff of a rinky-dink roleplaying chat site (that operates at a loss to the owner), who gain nothing no matter what their position aside from the ability to /kick higher up the chain of command, of somehow having criminal intentions, extorting people, and...somehow there's something to do with mobsters and tales of disembodied heads? You...you know how that sounds, right?

D) People rag on people. It's what people do. It's up to you how you react to it, and if you get trolled, it is to a certain extent your own fault for responding - the /ignore command exists for a reason, and if somebody gets around it in order to keep giving you shit, then they're in ban country. Personally, I've always found that the best way to dissuade people from bringing something up as an insult is to not respond to it. It's amazing how well it works, actually. Don't appreciate being trolled? Stop feeding the trolls. Ever met Von? Ginger virgin. Gives no shits. Handles it splendidly, and nobody gives him shit for it, because he's long since realized it doesn't actually matter unless he makes it matter, and has thus stopped caring.

E) Things not on tK are, with very, very few exceptions, not something somebody will be punished for on tK. This is how it's always been, as far as I'm aware - the only exceptions I can recall, in fact, are: 2 cases of child pornography in a url accessible via tK profiles, and 1 case of 'X is threatening to give pedophiles pictures of my kid.' These are things that could cause tK's servers to be seized, so an exception is made. Otherwise, policing other social media nodes is the business of the people who run those other nodes, if the users can't just handle it themselves. I'm personally rather confused why you even went along with Corban's "hey let's voicechat" thing. And why you have each other's Skypes and you hadn't blocked him or anything.

Speaking of Skypes - people who are permabanned had to be members of tK to be permabanned, even if they were only members for an hour before a staff member got wind that a cyberhound was trying to ebang everything. Some of them were around for much longer than others, and it used to be more common to get the moderator's contact information for various reasons. Also, Moondog has been a moderator for a long time - around six years. And he was a member of tK for years before that. Contact policies can change massively in that amount of time, and it's not like he would have wiped his Skype list when he got italics. Why would he have?

As for the mentions of criminal intention or...whatever the hell - what the fuck does anybody gain from literally anything here except for a cheap giggle because you never learned not to feed the trolls? There is no real power in literally any position on this site, no money is made - in fact, I'm fairly certain the site actually operates at a loss to Web, though he's consistently refused to sell it, so clearly it matters to him on a personal level. That's really about it. As far as your harassment case goes, best of luck...you choose to be here and not use the tools provided specifically to stop harassment (namely, reporting in-tK harassment to the staff, with logs demonstrating that you did /ignore and then the person went around it anyway).

If you come back to tK after your ban expires, I hope things go better for you on tK. If you don't, I still hope things go better for you, wherever you may go. But seriously. Take a step back, think a bit, and actually consider what you've said and how it even works.

In other words, learn to internet.
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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2016, 03:54:30 PM »

I'm sure on your planet you're not literally the first engager and catalyst for every, ah episode you have on tk. Seeing as even Corban has logs of you coming to HIM in whispers and harassing, gloating, blatantly trying to start a witchhunt and more.

But aside from that you might as well drop the idea that the mean Black bitch is the one who sent you down river for dropping that modified N-bomb because one thing we've repeatedly laughed about is that you didnt -have- to be reported. You fucked yourself over because you didnt realize a global mod was in the arena on an alt when you decided to fire that little gem off :) And the issue is its far from the first time you've done that or also called people anti gay slurs and threatened them with actually bodily harm.

I know its difficult convincing yourself in your instability that you're the victim being harassed but there's a reason literally everyone who's witnessed one of your conniption fits wonders what the hell is wrong with you. Seeing that you have literally threatened to rape Fenris.

Twice.

But I'm sleep tho, lmao. There aint no fuckin conspiracy, my guy. You're really just horribly toxic, violent, out of your gourd and you have people concerned. Frankly, not being on TK is probably exactly what you need. So make good on not caring about the ban.

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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2016, 04:22:09 PM »

I can vouch that Chaz/Jai/Githyanki  (Cathmor taggart on this post) Has threatened to literally rape me multiple times.

I can also illustrate what the problem is here without going into a gigantic essay.


Jai here comes into a room, and starts making passive aggressive comments, out of butthurt from some RP that happened years ago. Or about how people blocked him on skype cause they got sick of his shit, and constant attempts to justify some bullshit he pulled. (Note how upset he gets when people just stop listening to him.)

People eventually tell him to stfu.

He flips out and digs his heels in and tells people they are "treading on him" or some shit and goes into some pseudo political rant about how he apparently has the right to speak freely, but if anyone tells him he's a moron they are "venomous". He literally provokes people and then acts like he's a martyr... every time. Don't believe me? Ask just about anyone whose interacted with him openly.

People stop getting annoyed and start laughing at the mental acrobatics hes pulling and start making fun of him.

He then proceeds to drop racial slurs, threatens people, postures, talks about how tough his life has been and how hes seen so much. "About how he can beat anyone's ass in a bar fight irl. "  (I literally can't make this shit up.) and how were all poopy heads and we will all get ours, and he is the one true victim and martyr.

Then people start laughing more and he eventually just leaves.

Rinse and repeat

This is Jai in a nutshell.
« Last Edit: September 25, 2016, 04:52:58 PM by Fenris »
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« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2016, 07:08:08 PM »

For something that isn't supposed to be bothering him he sure as hell had a lot to say in regards to it.
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« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2016, 11:08:40 PM »

Holy fucking shit, dude.

And it's not just Fenris he's threatened. I've seen him threaten various users with death, being skullfucked, tortured with a nailgun, etc.
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« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2016, 02:21:38 PM »

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« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2016, 04:59:01 PM »

hey i got mentioned in a post! Awesome! :D Hi!

okay that's all

have fun folks!

bye, have a good time!
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« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2016, 06:07:00 PM »

There is definitely no point in RPing on a site where TL;DR is fucking trendy. Last time I posted to myself in the Forest, select people came in -just- to harass me for posting, diss the fact I posted more than a paragraph, and why the fuck did you log into an RP site to not like reading, why were you reading it, why didn't you just go to another open or make your own closed room? I asked those things at the time and was just pissed on and I'm glad you can petition to make the Arena an OOC Drama Wildfire zone but the Forest was still supposed to be IC focused. It's my bad I didn't narc them all out to a Mod? No wonder you have the problems you do. I'm not partaking in them. I can't even leave a formal good-bye for people I have to catch once a month on your site, without the same ones who egg on flaming to get people banned being the main responders on a forum thread. If it's so bad for me to point out that's douchey to the max, oh well, being good doesn't get you anywhere.

Though Ix since you -need- it spelled out for you, I'll spell that much out for you - When someone only cares about hurting others or keeping things 'their way', that IS the pay off. That IS what they do everything they do for. Imagine for yourself the kind of person who makes friends solely to use them and they play off friend-relations just so they can maximize how much they can take and damage them for while they can keep the charade going. Or as long as the trust, good nature, everything -decent- about a person gets stripped away. Well that's what the deal is, I have to explain that big picture from the canvas to the frame so do pardon me if I'm not polite about it. Maybe it's my fault I enjoy Resolved Conflict but in other words, I'm not on this Earth to shovel someone else's shit and certainly not going to tolerate social breakdown. The fact I have to be ridiculed so damn much and at the same time be what seems to be the only one with the nerve to deal with it, explain it, AND still try to patch it up a little is enough to do plenty of things to a person and yet I still do it.

Nevermind trying to be respectful to third parties and try not to upset their moods when I speak bold and plainly that I want to be left alone (IE not called out in the middle of a room, when I enter a room, or when I participate nicely in open chat) - I know y'all ain't going to do shit either if I point it out. You'll tell me not to respond to the asshole who's going to talk up a hell of a shit storm while you're unaware of what they are even slandering you about. There's a Meme that I commit suicide because one day I was BORED and said /me hangs myself in one of the empty rooms before I went and sat in a private room of my own creation. Well, I've been harassed on that enough you might want to consider heavily the fact that for starters I don't have medical insurance to go hop skip and run to see a doctor who's probably half the state away IF I wanted to put myself through someone's head-tests which 99% of people can fail if the psych' nit picks hard enough. Meanwhile I'm living in a society where the government not only pays for a guy to get fake tits while he's in maximum security Juvie Hall, but seems to want to insist someone who can't figure out if their dick or vagina should be vice versa - or not - for purely sexual and identity-confusing reasons is fucking normal. Call me any god damn name you want but I'll call you a Sucker. Especially when you want to judge me up down and side ways. My grand-uncle is Andy Warhol so consider that next time you want to put me in ANY kind of box.

Just like if you want to be a serious smart ass about it, as per Section C - Someone is completely lost how the subject matter applies to the issues being brought forward, but I need to be told how things sound? Give me a fucking break. By the way your's isn't a rinky dink website. It's technically the second most trafficked RP site I know of, used to sport some of the best RPers I've seen in  the recent half of my last whopping 18 years of RPing from AOL to now, and at one point had several of my friends pissy at me I was even using your fucking site in the first place. Because they expect me to room sit around odd hours and not even try to find an active RP partner, or something. By the way, Ix, I don't know -which- racial slur I used offended which user. After I said about five times in a row I did not appreciate the way I was being talked to. At some point when 'fuck you' is not clear English enough you step it up a notch. By the way, how is it kosher to discuss racial slurs on the forum but not in chat?

Well, I had a friend ask I don't know who and tell me of their own volition who reported me and I figured out what 'slur' it was after, having considered what could possible offend that person. Who I at one point had to reconsider why I strike a raw nerve with them when they did admit to having some mental issue in open chat. Not to use it against anyone either, but so I don't ignorantly upset them. At the very least I try to make my intentful harm day-to-night different from accidentally offending someone. Though I told Fenris more than enough times for a human to acknowledge or not, and even when others agree with me, he kept jabbing. Yep, I called him something somebody else didn't like hearing, since you have to ignore half the chat base instead of figure out what is their major malfunction. I know - I am confident - I'm not the hissy pants. I sit here and let multiple disses fly before I say something, and once again if it's wolves and sheep behavior only allowed then this tiger will go else where. I have no tolerance for that bullshit and neither should you. It is Liberal Agenda to MAKE a wicker man, nevermind crying as roughly 30 year old adults about straw man arguments. Fucking grow up, and act like adults. It makes me sick, a twelve year olf Afghan boy willing to knife fight a Marine has untold levels of understanding beyond your petty asses and if you expect me to lay out the fucked up shit people do to me on your site with my half of the perspective, I expect 'you' to show basic human respect or go get your ass kicked next time you bother to go outside and talk to someone face to face that way. Room members changed so much in the last five years it's not remembered when I RPed exclusively, only dealt with RPers, and didn't have to address OOCers who cause concern for grief. Unless it's totally fine there's slander and black balling, in which case why care I posted anything?

Have fun, I killed post limits yet again.

This is the exact reason why his mentality concerns me.
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« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2016, 03:33:17 PM »

Things that make more sense than this ban appeal.
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